. >> we're talking with tom paul kirk -- thomas tauke and kim hart. >> you talk about how everyone is playing in each other's sandboxes. computer companies are selling cell phones and network providers have their own app stores. you stressed the need for the government to ensure that no player has an advantage over the other and that he wanted technology-and get -- agnostic -- and that you want but technology-agnostic policy going forward. others the civic updates needed to make sure you are keeping up with this -- are there specific updates to make sure you're not keeping up with these? >> we have not come up with all the answers ourselves. many people will have different ideas. part of the effort to was to get a conversation going in encourage people to come forward with their ideas and how the legislation might be put forward. a former member of congress -- it is not my job to do this. i do think there are many capable people on the hill who are going to have good ideas about how to address some of these issues. if that -- with that, let me just say that i think that, in essence, w