get along without us in 1940, they have another thing coming to them. >> host: she talked about tom pendergast, thee democratic boss. >> guest: yeah. >> host: what was bess' view of pendergast? >> guest: like me grandpa, doesn't say much about him other than paying that respect that when grandpa was being asked to do certain things, she goes, tom, do i need to do this? she, i think she held the same view my grandfather did that nevermind pendergast's politics or his way of doing things. he supported my grandfather. he was a grenned, and grand -- he was a frand, and grandpa was loyal to him the rest of his life and went to his funeral as vice president when pendergast was disgraced. he had been imprisoned, and people were saying to my grandfather, you're the vice president of the united states, don't go to the funeral, and grandpa said i never forget a friend, i'm going. he went. my grandmother would have -- she held the same views once, you know, they were very, very loyal to their friends, and kept up with friends, did things for, you know, people they befriended. they were always helping out