and you had people like tom perilo a congressman who supported health care reform, cap-and-trade and he came from a republican kind of conservative district and from the moment he got into office, really, after 2008, he won by just a couple hundred votes there were these ads against him, you know, by citizens for a better health care saying that he was destroying the health care system. and they were relentless and relentless and they went on for two years and he ended up losing one of the many democrats that lost in december and it was a warm-up and you see people like karl rove who's advising two of these independent pacs who are now -- you know, we used to at least wait until the election year. but that i have running ads against democrats now, and then the democrats are responding. billy burton who used to work as a secretary. president obama says he'd rather not see this but i think he doesn't want to see the democrats at a disadvantage. so by the time we actually get to november, 2012, there'll be tens much billions of dollars of special interest money flowing into the system a