really objected and we're not -- we had several ambassadors or former ambassadors, people like tom pickering coming out saying this is outrageous and we never asked for that kind of stuff. the white house is saying we didn't know about this. and intelligence officials say there's no way that the white house did. gwen: what puzzles me, what members of congress knew about it? they said this is an outrage and heard the head of the house intelligence committee say well, this is the kind of thing we do. how -- and everybody knows it. i don't quite understand how those two things can be true the same body of lawmakers. >> well, mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee, said that if there's disagreement within the committee about whether they knew about it, it's because some committee members were doing their homework and other ones were. but the ones who people like adam schiff in california really took umbrage at that because i've been doing my homework and didn't know about it. mike rogers never specifically said he knew about it. gwen: he can't. but he kind of hinted. this will