because that all belonged to tom ruskin, and we would have to go through tom ruskin to give us the information placed all those phone calls. >> did he ever send me any samples, letters, anything? >> no, we never heard from him about any of that. >> the biggest problem i have in this case is what happened with the investigator. that's something i have to live with. >> so danny couldn't call the lab, even though he retained tom? >> that seems crazy, but that appears to be the case. >> i can't pick up your call right now, so please at the tone leave a message, and i'll call you back as quickly as i can. >> hi, tom. it's jane schuler. long time no talk. i really, really, need to talk to you, and i really need you to call me back. thanks, bye. >> there's just so much pushing i can do. she's taking care of my son and working, there's just so much i can do, you know? it's getting old fast. >> what's getting old? >> everything. >> he has different views, and it's black and white with him, very black and white. he has completely different views about things. you know, he's -- i don't get it. i know it