so many characters flowing in, woody allen would be in there, bruce springsteiwould be in there, tom siever might be in there. >> rose: say you have a great teacher, you do learn the content but mostly what you learn is a way of being in the world. and so if you study f you were around, if you admire teddy roosevelt there is a way of being. often you can't put this into words but it is there greatly. >> physicality. >> and there is a woody allen figure you want to be a funny neurotic guy. you just want to be funny. so there are certain ways of being. i took a class, i didn't take a class but sat in on a class by a guy who became famous later, allen bloom. >> and so i remember, i would come periodically because he was such a great character. at the beginning of the term everyone lked like nmal students. by the end they all wore the same shoes, the same white shirts, smoked the same marlboro. he just had this effect. and strong psonality. >> one observation of your book who compared this to allen. >> yeah. >> i didn't quite get that. allen bloom was a superhigh intellectual. and i'm not quite