also with us is tom snyder who t is with the national center for education statistics.h tom snyder, what is that on at organization? >> the centerl le collects data education at all levels starting from pre-primary education through higher education. today we'll be talking about kn some of thesa findings we have from our annual report on indicators of school crime and safety. so the news opens up with some positive things about a decline in school crime.ol so overall if we look at a long period of time we have a decline in school crime this is reported by teens and what we see is thar 20 years ago in 1992 we had 181a crimes per thousand students and it's down to 55 now. >> how do you define a crime? how do you define violence in schools? are we talking about shootings? bullying? >> primarily we're talking about fights. a lot of thefts, these would be. things that might be taken from lockers. it has to be something of a value of $10 or more. these are crimes reported by the students and one thing i think we want to highlight is that there's lots of friend crime data reported by schools, p

. >> tom snyder, this information we're looking at, is it available online?es. >> it's available at nces.ed. v nces.ed.gov. >> roy is in cambridge, massachusetts. roy, you're on the "washington . journal." we're talking aboutll theer: statistics around school violence, et cetera, please go ahead. >> caller: i have two comments and a question one is regardingf ms. randazzo's emphasis on school resource officers. there was an incident recently in ohio where the gentleman was. fired because he was allegedly too violent with a student who was confrontational with him. so he was trained in that area but he still had a problem. on the other hand in general, bull league is a problem, in pub granted but i think it's being a emphasized too much in public q schools and they're forgetting what their primary mission is, namely educating students and my question has to do with resolving these problems with students that get violence in school or school violence in ah general. in 1965 senator patrick moynihan did a study on families and found that families that don't have

re >> tom snyder from the nces report, this is one of your d mortar dramatic charts. what are we seeing? we are >> we're seeing a decline overall in school crime both er. away from school and at school and this is part of a historical pattern. we've had less progress in the most recent years but if we lood at a long period of time we can see school crime has decreased? >> what do you acontribute this chart to, this fall?that? or don't you?host >> it's difficult to establish a cause and effect relationship. >> dr. randazzo, do you have a cause and effect relationship? >> i have speculation.t data appreciate tom's perspective because i think it's appropriate when we look at data. we never know exactly unless i we've done a controlled study what the cause and effect is here. but i think what we've seen ove the past decades, 15 years, is s greater awareness and attention to the issues of what's going on in our schools beyond the missi educational mission.that. there's been policy debate around the educational mission l but at the same time recognizinp schools are small co

also with us is tom snyder. who is with the national center for education statistics.hat is that organization? guest: we deal with education at all levels to primary education all the way out. today, we will be dealing with findings on kansas crime and safety. withhe news opens up positive things about a decline in school crime. if you have a decline school crimes, this is reported by teens and what we see is that 20 there werein 1992 181 crimes for a thousand students. now it is down to 55. host: how to define a crime or violence? guest: primarily, we're talking about combat data. things being taken of the value of $10 or more. these crimes are reported by the students. there's something we will highlight today is that there is a lot of crime data which is reported by schools and teachers or by students. those can give us a different perspective that can be helpful. not just one statistic is the full answer. we need to look at how all the crimes relate to each other. are some trends as reported by the national center for education. teen victimization rate at to 55s de