tom stargell should have been a name everybody knew. changed history, on the medical profession. tom stargell was the physician to successfully made the first double transplant, organ transplant. he changed that whole realm. who kept at hit. outline i quoted the beginning, george washington, couldn't be more true, was interested in everything. perseverance in spirit of don wonderful's -- wonders in on -- got to keep at it. we don't lie and when parens wine, and i think that is something, and the examples in this country. >> the most interesting person you have researched? you may have to think. >> guest: right now a man named melissa cutler who i talked about in my commencement speech i gave at ohio university. he was a preacher in massachusetts, had a church there and also a doctor and lawyer and practiced all three of these professions having achieved degrees in all three. he was the man who convinced the continental congress in the summer of 1787 before we had a constitution to create what was known as the northwest ordinance, that end the revolutionary war. an area the size o

tom stargell should have been a name everybody knew, tom stargell changed history in a way very few human beings ever do and largely unknown except within the medical profession. successfully made the first double transplant organ transplant success. he changed that whole realm. one man who kept, who kept at it. if i have a theme in this book, it is a line i quoted from george total freedom of religion, there would be government support for education from grade school through college, since the beginning of the first state universities and there would be no slavery. imagine. even before we have a constitution or national government we have eliminated slavery from half of our country. a phenomenal accomplishment, this one man virtually pulled it off. he was a classic polymath like benjamin franklin, really a botanist, he was an astronomer, you asked who was the most interesting man. he qualifies high. >> four those five went for trump, hillary clinton, he had taken a pass. over here. >> we belong to the most liberal state in the country, four years from now, there doesn't seem to be a lead