tom sten berg, now a venture capitalist. we don't we hire these people? one of the problems in the particular economy is a lack of certain skilled labor in particular when it comes to engineering pro h programming. one of the problems we are facing is people want overall immigration reform before trying to get some of these people to come to the united states give them a work visa. the truth of the matter is that these particular engineers will create jobs in america for americans. >> john: i hear they steal jobs. was a job that might have gone to an american. >> for every engineer we hire in the united states there will be six or seven other types of manufacturing jobs we can bring back from china and india and other types of countries. there is all this conversation about illegal immigration. the truth of the matter is we have great, great shortage of skilled labor in this country particularly in engineering so unless we fundamentally change something about our educational system to build more engineers we wl continue to lose these jobs because what we