tom toms like they want it, but they don't. they have the most to be p concerned about because for some of their members to say that we shouldn't go forward with this is a bad vote. >> she's certainly putting it back on the republicans. to be honest, i've covering the impeachment inquiry for several months. pelosi didn't want to have this vote because she didn't want her moderate voters to have to vote on it. this is before she put her full weight behind this effort and there was a lot of concerned moderates who worried about blowback in their districts where there are supporters. now, i do think that has changed since this ukraine controversy erupted and now she's got something like 225 democrats including a lot of democrats from the trump districts who back the impeachment. she could do it. i don't she she's worried now. it might look sort of silly for her to say we have to do this now now that the president is sort of trolling her. >> but would the gop be risking anything by actually having to take a vote on it? >> yeah. that certainly could put them in a bind. we're seeing the narrative shift. it used to be that democrats were concerned thapd would feel the political heat and blowback. now they're starting to point to moderate republicans and say, are you really okay with this? so now we're starting to see republicans on the hot seat here. >> ryan, i want to ask you about the president's crude attacks against senator mitt romney. he krit side him earlier. also ben sass and congressman will hurd. why is the president targeting romney specifically? >> well, romney has been the most prominent republican in the senate to criticize him and unlike sass who has done a little more work in keeping his head down and not criticizing trump in the last year as he worries about his own politics back home and has really patched things up with trump and come under criticism for a lot of never trump republicans and democrats for avoiding the full-throated criticism that sass used to express, romney is not quite in that same place. he's always been a bit of a thorn in the side of trump and i think he knows romney is independent. he won with 63% of the vote in 2018. he's not up for re-election until 2024. so he frankly has more leeway than a lot of republicans who don't speak out against trump because they're afraid of dough mention tick political considerations in their district or state. i think that's what explains the difference there. >> we just listed all of them. most have been silent. others are getting creative you could say in their defense of president trump here. here's senator marco rubio and senator trump publicly asking you crepe and china to investigate biden. >> i think, again, he did it to gig you guys. i think he did it to provoid you to ask me and others and get outraged by it. like i said, he plays it like a violin and falls right into it. that's not a real request. >> he later tweeted this. before we dismiss some very serious accusations as an attempted coup, maybe it would be a good idea to gather all of the facts and give it some thought what would be in the best interest of our country. i don't know. just a thought. we're waiting to get some clarity from his office. what are your comments? >> it's so auction warned he's so uncomfortable in talking about it. until we see a shift, you're going to see the lawmakers do this awkward dance where they're very clearly uncomfortable with what's going on but instead they're trying to change the narrative. oh, trump's trying to get your goad. he wasn't serious. it was all laughable given it was all over the headlines. they just didn't want to talk about it. >> selective hearing and visions. go ahead, ryan. >> i think that tweet is significant. he's basically remaining open-minded. in the video you show and the tweet, he's not willing as some republicans have been to basically say what trump did was okay. if you look at jim jordan and mark meadows who are devoid of the action, they're basically saying trump was investigating corruption. it was all about this anti-corruption campaign. rubio is not saying that. he's open minded. it seems to me if i'd reading the tweet correctly he's willing to see where the facts go and the investigation rather than being knee-jerk defending the president. i think that's a potential bad sign for donald trump if a prominent senator like marco rubio who's in a pretty pro-trump state and who's always been very cautious about any criticism if he's suggesting that, one, all the facts aren't in, so let's wait, and, two, this isn't a coup as some republicans are calling it. >> we could be at the tip of the iceberg. we don't know. think about everything we learned in the last week. now we have "the new york times" reporting there is a second whistle-blower who's considering filing a second complaint. he's said to have more direct knowledge in his dealings with ukraine. could that change the republicans' calculus? >> i think it's what rubio said. the many evidence that's built, the more potential you have to change the minds of republicans. the way democrats should be looking at this is as a prosecutor with a jury that right now is not even with two thirdses the majority they need. they should be crafting their arguments if they're serious about this. if they believe he should be removed from office, they should be crafting their case with a lot more evidence than is out there right now. if you think the evidence shows he should be impeached or removed, a lot of republicans don't believe that. that is your jury. >> and, rachel, should it end up there? >> again, it's going to go back to the polls. it's interesting. when rubio doesn't come out and say, look, totally side with the president and say this is a witch hunt, we're totally fine. he doesn't consider, oh, that would be a problem for the president. you would think rubio, somebody who who's always talked about democracy, somebody who would say it's not okay for the president to call a foreign official and investigate a political adversary, you would think he would do that. that shows how much trump is controlling this party and it's going to take a lot more for republicans to come out and talk more on this. >> we're going to be talking a lot more about this because we're seeing a shift in the polls with more people supporting impeachment. i appreciate both of you. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> a new report in the "washington post" describes president trump's phone calls with foreign leaders as a, quote, anxiety-ridden conversation. and leon panetta is going to join us on trump's attacks, on the whistle-blower, and why he thinks the law will eventually catch up with the president. no matter what i wore, i worried someone might see my bladder leak underwear. so, i switched. to always discreet boutique. its shape-hugging threads smooth out the back. so it fits better than depend. and no one notices. always discreet. wayfair's got your perfect mattress. whether you're looking for a top-brand at a great price. ready to upgrade. moving in. moving on up. or making big moves. deliveries ship free and come with a 100-night free trial. no matter your budget. or your sleep style. we have quality options for everyone. so search and shop. save and snooze. and rest easy, knowing that we've got your back. literally. that's what you get, when you've got wayfair. so shop now. i work hard and i want my money to work hard too. so i use my freedom unlimited card. even when i'm spending, i'm earning 1.5% cash back on everything i buy. earning on my favorite soup... with freedom unlimited, you're always earning. got it. >>> with president trump's call to the ukraine, there's new information he engaged in contact with other world leaders. a white house official said he left senior staffers, quote, genuinely horrified. he was fawning over putin and they say the president clashed with british prime minister theresa may last year because her intel community was certain that putin ordered the poisoning of a former russian spy in england which president trump doubt. and in 2017 the post says president trump praised the leader of the philippines, rodrigo duterte for his, quote, unbelievable job on the drug problem, that claim comes on years of claims that duterte ordered the suspected killings of many drug dealers. this week it's what trump said in front of tv cameras and microphones that may have raised the stakes of this impeachment battle when he invited china. >> what happened to china is just about as bad as what happened with ukraine. so i would say that president zelensky, if it were me, i would recommend that they start an investigation into the bidens. >> joining me now, former secretary of defense and cia director under president obama, leon panetta. so much to get to. the president of the united states is not only doubling down to ask ukraine, but he's invited china, one of the u.s. adversaries to do the same. do you believe that undermines u.s. standing in the world? >> you know, every day it brings something that is appalling as senator romney himself stated. this is -- this is a point at which i think the president has really gone beyond anything that anyone would imagine when he is deliberately again and openly violating law by asking a foreign country to investigate a political opponent. but then when he goes to china, an adversary, communist country, and one that we're involved in a serious trade war right now to ask them to now investigate a political opponent, i think is an example of a president who simply does not understand what the rule of law is all about. >> you mentioned earlier how the president keeps on attacking the whistle-blower who filed the kplaunlt about his call with ukraine. let's listen. >> the whistle-blower wrote not that conversation. he wrote a vicious conversation. in other words, he either got it totally wrong, made it up, or the person giving the information to the whistle-blower was dishonest, and this country has to find out who that person was, because that person's a spy in my opinion. >> secretary panetta, are you afraid for the whistle-blower? >> oh, i don't think there's any question that the president of the united states is trying to intimidate the whistle-blower here by his language, by what he's saying, calling him a spy, and i really do think it violates the whistle-blower law itself because the president now is trying to intimidate someone who's trying to bring forward what that person views as a violation that took place. the other thing that strikes me as strange is that the president tries to sometimes confuse the transcript and the whistle-blower complaint. the reality is the transcript speaks for itself. whatever the president thinks about that transcript, when he released it. that is probably the clearest evidence of the fact that this president was trying to convince a foreign leader to get involved in an investigation of a political component, and in the context of that transcript, talking about military aid, talking about those issues, and then having the president say there's a favor i need to ask of you, that combination is pretty devastating in terms of proving on the violation of a federal law. >> and yet there was a monmouth poll this week that showed only four in ten republicans mentioned trump mentioning biden on that call even though the president fully acknowledged it and it's plane as day as you say in the rough transcript released by the white house. so the fact that many of his reporters have a knee-jerk reaction to mistrust himming anything negative, does that show anything with regard to waging the war on facts? >> i think what i'm seeing is kind of a -- what i would call a bonnie & clyde strategy here where, you know, the more you violate the law, the more you rob banks, the more you kind of become a folk hero to those that support you, and you diminish the importance of the law. but the bottom line is that, you know, whether you oppose or support this president, i think all of us as americans know we have to enforce the laws in this country. we cannot just stand back and ignore the violation of the law, and ultimately the law will catch up with this president just like it's caught up with others who thought they could get away with violating the law. >> you were once the chief of staff to president clinton and i remember you told me you thought clinton had more than paid the price for monica lewinsky because the shadow of impeachment would forever hang over his presidency. if trump were impeached, you do think that's punishment enough. >> >> i think it's important for the congress to take the steps that are necessary to hold a president accountable. that's what our forefathers intended. our forefathers put the impeachment clause in because hamilton and madison were very worried that presidency in the united states might very well try to co-op foreign governments into interfering with our democracy. they were worried about that, and that's the issue that's involved here. so they've got to proceed do what they believe is right under the constitution, and ultimately whatever the senate does, i think it is correct for the house and the senate to proceed with the enforcement tools provided by the constitution in order to determine whether or not a president should be impeached. that is what everybody needs to focus on now. yes, there's be a time when they'll have to vote on this issue as they have in the past, and those senators will then have to respond to their constituents as to why they voted the way they did, but i think going through this process is necessary for the american people and our dedication to making clear for the roast testify world that we believe in our constitution. >> former secretary leon panetta. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. it's not small. but it's not just big either. it's the kind of big where you'll never have to ask, "should i scooch up?" it's big that looks at a sunroof and wonders why it can't just be most of the roof. it's big that's better because we built it that way. the spacious, 121 cubic feet of cargo space ford expedition. but she wanted someone who loves 12with the cats.ng.argo space so, we got griswalda. dinner's almost ready. but one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with our renters insurance. yeah, switching and saving was really easy! drink it all up. good! could have used a little salt. visit geico.com and see how easy saving on renters insurance can be. that's why xfinity mobile lets you design your own data. you can share 1, 3, or 10 gigs of data between lines, mix in lines of unlimited, and switch it up at any time. all with millions of secure wifi hotspots and the best lte everywhere else. it's a different kind of wireless network, designed to save you money. switch and save up to $400 a year on your wireless bill. plus, get $250 back when you buy an eligible phone. that's simple. easy. awesome. call, click, or visit a store today. >>> senator bernie sanders all smiles and waves this weekend, now out of the hospital. the 78-year-old candidate for president is traveling back to vermont today to continue his recovery. there you see him and this is according to his campaign spokesman who also confirmed that sanders suffered a heart attack last week. let's turn to cnn's ryan nobles. sanders says he's feeling better and raring to get back on the campaign trail, but does this throw a new light on his health and age? are people concerned? >> i don't think there's any doubt about it, ana. the issue of bernie sanders being 78 has been an issue. it's in the back of their minds to begin with. when you add a heart attack into the mix, that complicates even more. he's known for his endurance despite his age. he's vowing to his supporters he's going to be back on the campaign trail very soon. take a listen. >> hello, everybody. we're in villanueva. i just got out of the hospital a few hours ago, and i'm feeling so much better. i just want to thank all of you for the love and warm wishes that you sent to me. see you soon on the campaign trail. >> and i'm told that bernie does feel much better after having those two stents put in the at ray to resolve the partial blockage that led to the heart attack. he's been itching to get back on the campaign trail. we don't know how soon that will happen. otherwise his campaign moves on as normal. they're going to relaunch a $1.3 million ad buy on tuesday. he has surrogates crisscrossing the early state this weekend. ana, we don't know if he could resume the campaign earlier than that october 15th date. we know for now he's back in burlington, and he's going to rest, recuperate, and tame some time to assess the situation before he gets back to it, when he does, he'll be full board. >> okay. coming up, how past presidents have stared down the barrel of impeach month. >> people ought to know if their president is a crook. well, i'm not a crook. we're woven together by the moments we share. everything you need, all in one place. expedia. ♪ think you need to pay prestige prices for better skin results? 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>> first of all, it's been president trump's approach since he was a candidate, which is to imnice t immune niize the public. mr. nixon was a student of the presidency. he loved history, and he had a vision of what americans and what he expected of a president. now, he fell short of that. he didn't want the public to know the gap between what he thought they expected from a president and the reality of richard nixon, so when the public began to realize the difference between the real richard nixon and the ideal president, it really undermined his credibility with the public. donald trump on the other happened, donald trump says what you see is what you get, and by saying, you know, richard nixon said, americans, you don't want a crook as your president, i am not a crook, donald trump is saying, americans, you understand me. you know what i do, you know the enemies i'm fighting. i am corrupt, but you don't really care, do you, because what's more important to you is i stay in office. these are fundamentally different approaches not only to the defense against an impeachment inquiry, but they're differential visions of the presidency. donald trump hassen from the start reworked the presidency so it's all about him. richard nixon for all his flaws knew that the presidency preceded him and would continue after him and he realized he needed to lever up to a certain standard. president trump has pulled the standard of the presidency down to his level and he thinks it's okay and that his supporters will think it's okay. >> these are different presidents and different times and the impact on our society, on culture, american life could be different too. i want to get your take on this analysis that ron brown steen wrote for cnn.com. if impeachment is always a max, today it's dropping into a much larger pool of gasoline than it did under richard nixon or bill clinton. would you agragree? >> this is an inflection point. this is not about donald trump. it's about the presidency. donald trump's argument is everybody cheats, all institutions are political, nothing is fair. and people who play by the rules are suckers. if people absorb that and make it the way in which they lead their lives, it's anarchy, and future presidents are going to feel, republican or democratic, that they can do whatever they want and get caught, and what i would ask every american as the evidence comes out, first of all, wait for it to come out, absorb it and ask yourself the question, if the president you did not vote for acted this way, would you be sass feed because a lot of americans are willing to let a president get away with things because they voted for them. but if you think of the long term and the corrosive effect of letting the president break rules, satisfy our national security for their own political gain, that is harmful, and you have to ask yourself am i letting them do it because i dislike them? ask yourself whether you want your children to live under a president 25 years from now who does that. >> maybe people are starting to ask themselves that question because we're seeing a turn. if you look at the latest cn poll, in fact, 47% now support impeachment. 45% don't. there's more who support it than those who don't. when you think of bill clinton, it never reached above 29% in supporting impeachment. >> in fact, republicans lost seats in the 1998 midterm election. normally the midterm is bad for the whois, be bill clinton was a popular president and he actually -- his party, the democrats, gained seats in the 1998. the reason they pushed against clinton was totally partisan, very different from the impeachment procedure in 1973/1974 and that's why older democratic leaders were reluctant to get involved because it was a totally hard process. >> how do you see the immediate environment impacting the impeachment process particularly the media outlets like fox news? are they insulating the president? do they have much of an impact? >> i'm a teacher by nature and one of the things you want citizens to do is to learn but not necessarily to follow what you say they should do, but for them to be open to all forms of information. people who only go into one ecosystem, a conservative system -- i shouldn't say that. that's not fair. a lot of conservatives are asking questions. the trumpist system, they're getting reinforced about the messaging of the president. what's necessary for all americans is to look at all data and come to their own conclusions. if you get stuck in one ecosystem, you're never really free. you're never that free citizen that the founders wanted yo tow be. remember, the founders hated parties. our constitution was built and designed not for a country with parties. they didn't like the idea that people would be stuck in one. they didn't think in terms of information flows we now understand, but they didn't worry about not having access to ideas. they love debate. our citizens today should want debate and should not be satisfied with hearing one side. >> and presenting information is our job to let viewers make their own judgments on what that information means. thanks for providing context. >>> almost every house democrat has expressed support for the impeachment inquiry into president trump, but one of the holdouts represents a divided district in georgia. so how do voters there see the impeachment fight? we'll ask some next. >>> nearly every democrat in the house of representatives want some kind of impeachment action either inquiring or calling for removal from thehouse. was house democrat in georgia was not in the first wave of lawmakers supporting inquiry. congresswoman lucy mcbecht now represent as district that used to be so red it was held by newt gingrich and tomking to republican voters in that very divided district outside atlanta. here's natasha chen. >> reporter: a room full of republicans raised their hand in agreement. they're in a district outside atlanta once represented by newt gingrich who led the charge in the impeachment inquiry of bill clinton. but this is not the georgia sixth from the days gingrich was in congress. the district lines have been redrawn and demographics have changed. lucy mcbecht won a tight race last year. >> i don't understand what happened so we're trying to get that resolved. >> the republican base believes the impeachment inquiry is a sham. >> you feel it's okay to ask foreign governments for help in our elections. >> hey. what did he ask for? he wanted to know about a criminal act. >> i feel like it's helpful. i feel like people are mad, people are sick of this. >> cobb county democrats made available copies of the mueller report and the phone call between president trump and the president of ukraine at thei