understood very quickly even perhaps as a child is the foundation matters and history is that way, tomac completely agree. it's important because they create from a very young time a sense of structure for our lives. and i think so much about the way in which a house is a metaphor for so much of our lives. a metaphor for the self and a way to examine. i couldn't have asked for a better structure but this particular book because the how it gave me a way to create a space to create a kind of tactical world of thinking about the impact of an object and how those can inform the world and make people of us and so how did this the day it remains so important to me i am thinking so much about those of us that are in this together and what it means to be in our respective places and how much we can read from those places. when you look out the window, what your review is is telling you something about your life and that is something deeply important to me whether you own owned the home or rent the home and create a kind of space that we can be comfortable or not comfortable. the feeling of belon

with me that made me and makes me fairly certain that my son later in life will feel okay with it, tomac. i had a choice to tell the story and protect my son from a feeling he may never have or i could tell the story and possibly say to my daughters in 20 years i did everything i could to protect your healthcare and this was in my power and there's not a lot in my power but it was in my power to tell a story and i did that so that you might have a chance that i didn't have. i think that my son will be proud of that. you've illustrated something perfectly he will know what happened. i cannot protect him from everything. and it's not my job to do that. he has his own complex life story and hopefully he will have a mother he thinks was strong enough to be able to stand up for what she thought was right and reasonable. >> do you think that this experience has changed how you would raise your daughter and son d how you would have talked to them? >> i am very mindful of'm not the kind of mother that takesy experience and puts it on my shoulder especially as an identical twin i really like to k

at that and since you are talking about the importance of the findings, the house passed something, tomac and it could be a better way to go the place to start is are we making the law were just making the point and i think the way you make the law for sure is you know you have a presidential signature. the one thing we all agree on is waiting on till next year is not an answer. we need a targeted relief bill including things we can agree on. >> [inaudible] [inaudible] i haven't given any real thought to that. that is a decision obviously the majority decided to make over there and it will be interesting to see how the republicans in the house respond to it. >> as senator blunt pointed out obviously given the challenges of moving things across the senate floor speedily i think that it will all likely come in one package. >> the integrity and why have you not spoken on the claim that it has been stolen. >> as i said repeatedly, we have this for the next three weeks for sure, and what i'm focusing on is to try to accomplish as much as we can during the three-week period that requires what w

when i was a child i knew, tomac. having a mother willing to share thathe story with me allowed meo write this book because her story considering a termination of pregnancy with me didn't hurt me. there was no moment i thought my mother didn't love me or want me here in this world. and it was that knowledge and sharing of the story with me that aches me fairly certain that my son later in life will feel okay with it, tomac. the thing is i had a choice to tell the story and protect my son from a feeling he may never have or i could tell the story and possibly say to my daughter in 20 years i did everything i could to protect your healthcare and this was in my power and there's not a lot in my power but it was in my power to share the story and i did that so you might have a chance i didn't have to have that security. and i think that my son will be proud of that. we don't live our lives without knowing what happened to the family we had. he won't know -- i cannot protect him from everything, and it isn't my job to do t

my mother was angry so naturally i was angry, tomac.bally, she never used any profanity but still several waived gun barrels towards the door and as another went forward shaking his torch my mother kept arguing and the clan leaders got mad. he knocked out the front window. the baby brother started crying in the back room. as wilford recalled in the incident years later through lasting strengths on the matter which she stood her ground for the white strangers on horseback however, contrary to the initial impression, wilford was concluding later that it held greatly that his father was indeed not at home. because the clansmen would have taken him out of the house, probably all of them out of the house. >> certainly him. >> what was it that he had been doing that angered the clan? >> he was organizing black people. even in georgia his father said you are bringing too much attention because of your pride. >> he was very outspoken. >> he wasn't going to stand down, and that was hard for him. that was why when the families moved out of the so

it in oth parts hll of the wor where it wl still be spreadingut that is an eas problem to manage, tomac. >> this sounds like a great idea and you've been talking about it for a while. let's jump a little bit ahead. what is getting in the way of this idea becoming a reality? >> policymakerby and large have locked themselves into a losing strategy andre having a difficulty seeg there maye alternative approaches. when we think of what we are eing right now inhe midst of the holiday seasono just at the time you want people to restrict social interactions they are most inclined to engage so what do weee, political leaders telling us don't get together with family a friends and then we read stories about governors and mayors ando forth violating their own orders. we also see a troubling trend. they said we are likely to lose another 250,000 people between now and january because people are not paying attention so we are on a sort of failed policy cose on the one side and on the other side we are beginning to tell peoplet's you fault that ts isis happening so we are at a juncture where it's ab

to look for in the warning signs and other books have done this, have democracies in your own work, tomac. historically minded work. but i think also looking at other forms that the abuse of power can take and including the gender, the appeal to the old model of the male forcefulness and equally empowering has also gotten us into trouble and i think that it's time for something new. >> so, i would like to be for i thank you for this great conversation and the opportunity to read the book, i want to end with something you say towards the end of the book and you say in fact they do not vanish but instead remain a trace within the body of the people. the muscle memory can be hard to shake. once we have had a strawman spare or brush with authoritarianism it is imperative for us as the citizens to learn from those lessons and to correct the injuries or weaknesses so that we don't perhaps fall prey so easily in the future because just because donald trump lost the election so to speak doesn't mean the type of threat that he represents can be, you know, it is just going to disappear when joe bid

and you say the chances are better than half if i were there as a white creole i would have shot, tomac. and i thought that's honest. i suppose. can you explain why you think there's a better than half chance you would have shot the union soldiers? >> i believe i would have been swept into the ideological climate of supremacy and the self which was the ferocious drive of the soldiers to defend their homeland which they believe had been invaded by others and i think in general we flatter ourselves about the past and we tend to think i wouldn't have been a white supremacist. i would have been part of the resistance. had i been in germany in 1935, i would have been in the underground against nazis. we condescend to our predecessors by giving ourselves a morally superior position relationship to them, and i don't feel that that's honest. it's an in possible projection to say the 21st century liberal person in this country and by liberal, i mean, any person raised after 1960 who has some understanding of the disasters of the national inheritance of the stories of race. it is in possible that

norms and speaking aloud the southern segregationists and it should be said a lot of northerners, tomacso, he had declared war in his community. and that brings us to our second person, gary duncan. he grew up in the second to last town accessible on the mississippi river just above the mouth. he grew up in a big family, fiercely independent. their father was the first black man to run the crew boats for the industry. he used to sleep on his boat to keep the white competitors from setting the boat on fire. the whole family was deeply involved in church. in october of 1966, gary duncan had just turned 19. he was newly married. his first child had been born before he was driving down the road. the one road driving down it and he saw two of his relatives kids, middle schoolers, talking to for white kids on a stretch of highway by the school. no big deal. except for two things. gary knew the school had just been desegregated by a federal court so tensions were high especially. he knew that perez fought hard against the d segregationists schools. he didn't like that either. but the thing he

in the same way that england did, tomac to say you people of the united states think that you are you hold the mantle of liberty, you have slavery and we don't and that struck a nerve. we have quotes from people in the united states in a letter to henry clay and i'm paraphrasing here how can we suffer to continue if the nation like mexico had ended it so it did strike a nerve and i think there is a lesson that there are many different types of powers but the moral power is although we cannot measure it in gdp or numbers of ammunition it's still a powerful force. >> can i ask a follow-up question. the mention raises a question what about the new england abolitionists who pay close attention to runaway slaves coming north. is there any organized attention paid to the refuge of mexico for slaves by the new england abolitionists. >> that's an interesting question. they try to establish a community for the united states to come to mexico and he becomes aware of the fact that mexico is moving in this direction so he is aware and commenting and driving up in the way that channing did but it'

we debated those are climate change, tomac that what some people have latched onto is the definitive idea that there's no role for climate change it's just changed climate where a storm is happening to say climate change is not in there. >> i >> it is a disagreement that we might have about what is appropriate science communication rather than what is scientific. part of the reason i wrote this book was that the claims that billions of people will die, that the earth is dying and that the human the look around the world believe that climate change will make humans extinct. this needs to be pushed back against. it is clearly contributing to anxiety. let me give a different example. that reporter could make the same argument as my statement which is to say we have navy pilots that have reported close encounters with what appeared to be alien spacecraft and we have video evidence that has been released and confirmed depending on the special groups, so how can you be sure that the united states is not being inundated okay so that is a part of this whole philosophical problem you cannot p

and i don't mind crappy hotels so that's all right, tomac. >> same here. >> it isn't my first choiceut you do what you do when you work in journalism. in charlotte's a few years ago i went down to cover the review and the conventions themselves when you cover you get the worst hotel imaginable and there was a pretty good story about that. someone said man, i wouldn't bring a hooker here to which roger stone replied i would. [laughter] >> not unexpected. a. >> you love social media. by the way, thank you for your advice on that. it's made me a better reporter and a better person. can you explain why you left? >> i never really used it at all until in my mid-30s i went to work for an advocacy organization and they required everyone to have a facebook page. then i started using twitter when that became a thing and i thought that it would be a good marketing tool for me it just never was. national review has a ton of traffic and if i put up a post on the corner i can count on a couple hundred people seeing that which is more than my reach would have been on twitter. it'twitter.it's a goo

and transportation, tomac. they put forth a plan to invest in transit in this country. we need our cities to have high-quality transit. everyone in the community can take and be safe. we have clean air to breathe and clean water. president elect put forth a comprehensive infrastructure transportation plan and proposed to invest $2 trillion over four years and clean energy and transportation and other types of infrastructure in order to build the type of community as we need all across america. >> somewhat related to that question that i posed we have seen it in the racial reckoning you talked about here today, that african-americans are more likely to die of the coronavirus pandemic and at the hands of police officers than white americans. what does that tell you that even in the middle of the pandemic you had to deal with police shootings and what can the administration do policy wide with such a local issue? >> two of the most profound moments in the campaign were made right after the killing of george floyd. it talks about how he can't personally understand what it's

cinon can answer, that would be great, tomac. >> you are reay hitting upon something that could be very heful operationally. that is if we could get the surances from these foreign post operators, en if it is sent aed, they cou segment out,n the receptacles whi do not ha aed and with certain receptacles do he 100% aed. operationally, that would really help us to do what we need to do on the ground to segment the risk. >> and do you have the authority to do that? >> i don't believe that we have the authority to do that, but i do believe that through the monetary process and engagement. >> mr. cintron, my time is expiring. so any thoughts you have, can you join us? we can't hear you. you may be on mute. >> can you hear me now? >> yes we can. >> i apologize for the technical difficulties. obviously we d't have the authority. maybe tsa would be th appropriate area. but it would be significantly beneficial to be able to stop it before it gets t the country. that would be well worth pursuing that. >> thank you. senator carper. >> thanks, mr. chair man. i was trying to ask a question when my t

there is a bipartisan recognition that leaving a document many customers were left out, tomac. we greatly appreciate ongoing efforts from the committee, congress, sba and treasury to modify the program as the challenges arise and these changes including the 30 billion-dollar carveout for community financial institutions round two and the 10 million set aside plus dedicated access to the platform for small lenders were effective. they made more than 114,000 loans totaling more than $7.5 billion. our average was about $65,000. for example, latino economic development center participated and deployed 109 totaling $2.2 million to businesses in dc, maryland, virginia and puerto rico and the average was $20,000. orlando florida made 200 ppe loans totaling and retained more than 1300 jobs. the average loan size was about 36000.86% of their ppe loans went to ethnic minorities including 67% to black business owners. and there are stories like this from across the country demonstrating the loans are critical to saving thousands of jobs. our priority is one that i know is shared with the