tomi lahren, thank very much. you can watch her show, no interruptions, on fox nation. got it. people are turning to other places to escape like horse ranches. big rise in visitors this summer. let's bring in grady trimble. i knew he was going to be on a horse and he is. what's it like, grady? reporter: oh, it's pretty easy, stuart. they have trained these horses well. this is carly, the horse. that's drake in front of me. then paul williams, the rock and roll cowboy, he's the owner at cedar creek ranch. what has business been like with city slickers like me coming to the ranch? >> awesome. things have been great since we have been able to open back up. we have given everybody a great experience out here in the outdoors, being with nature and just enjoying horses which is the best thing to be doing. reporter: you had to shut down for a couple months because of the pan ddemic but what happene when you reopened? >> we were able to get back open and get people out to the ranch, following social safety distance guidelines and we are able to give everybody the great outdoor wild wes

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the lady on the right-hand side of the screen is tomi lahren. that is a blockbuster. that is flat out protection for joe biden, right? >> well, who does she think she is talking about legitimizing a conversation with the president of the united states? first of all, she should check her respect and make sure she's respecting our sitting president. but furthermore, this really was, this really is an insult to the american people. she's telling the american voter that they don't deserve the opportunity to see a candidate and a sitting president debate on stage in one of the biggest election that's coming up in november in, certainly, my lifetime. and she's saying that the american people don't deserve to hear their platform, agendas and ideas. who does nancy pelosi think she is? stuart: and what happens if, indeed, there are no debates and joe biden refuses to face president trump on the debate stage? i think that is a political disaster for joe biden and the democrats. you with me on this? >> well, i think him debating will be more of a political