. >> originally they had said the international spokesperson, tommy davis, said he's going to take mehrough scientology, we're going to have a relationship. we wanted enough time. i flew out over the labor day weekend in 2011. >> they cooperated amazing. >> up to that point. they were going to cooperat cooperate. friday night i wait thed, saturday all day, sunday at 3:00 p.m., he and his wife jessica [indiscernible] came to the hotel. he said actually i'm not going to talk to you, i wanted to tell you that man to man. >> took a few days to tell me. >> thanks a lot, tommy. i'm sure he had been told not to talk to me. but he did agree to respond to fact checking queries. i don't know if he really understood has that meant in terms of the new yorker. but the article i started in february and turned in my first draft in august. at that point they put a checker on full-time. and she sent her first volley of queries, 971 of them. and it caused a stir. >> i bet. [laughter]. let's just say, right. >> so -- so then the response was that tommy and jessica and four lawyers came to the new yorker