and general tommy franks is on tonight. as i look at this, would president obama not now realize that without the intelligence he wouldn't have had the ability to make this decision, i would hope that it might change his mind. >> maybe it will. and the reality is he also at that last minute when made the decision had to know that intelligence had to know, 50/50. you never know. they were going in there to get osama bin laden but who knows if it wasn't somebody that just looked like him or was like him. the better your intelligence the more accurate your decision making. the reality is and i was glad to hear the soz, hillary clinton say this. this is not the end, we are in the middle this of and we can't let down our guard. we shouldn't be leaving afghanistan as a result of this. we shouldn't be leaving iraq, we should remain there to get the ondone. >> this is where i find myself conflicted here because this is almost the opposite of what candidate obama said he would do expwrrks maybe for the first time -- maybe for the fi

these these statements stand on their own merit and we even had general franks tommy franks the head of the central command say and look i don't know whether he's dead or alive we don't have any intelligence that says one way or the other so even general franks was unwilling to actually say say the bin laden was was alive as early as two thousand and two the photo was released to prove that he was in the killed. national security risk because the reason for not publishing that photograph is that about it all are going to be what is exactly talking about there. well you know they could do a lot of things with the photograph to be you know we've seen some photographs released in pakistan some of the other people killed in a compound were kind of bored out somewhat but we after president obama made this announcement we had all these fake photographs that were going around about you showing the deadline date and you know and the white house did said nothing to try to say look these are these are not accurate but they were picked up by many newspapers many websites around the world and you

to be denied by general tommy franks who is the commander on the ground and then all the way up to donald rumsfeld who is the secretary of defense and presumably to the white house to make this kind of major decision and in doing that in modern thought he was dead he wrote his last will and testament but in not pursuing him aggressively they let these you know untrained afghan militias go after him they let bin laden escape into pakistan and into history and till sunday it was and that's pretty incredible. at a tribute to the troops rally assuming she got one hundred thousand dollars speaking. in colorado last night thanked bush for all his efforts she wouldn't say the name president obama she wouldn't say his name to lewis. yeah yeah. yeah and. yeah me. and we. all are i am. i ok so we know that for example the reagan presidency was by and large a failed presidency had more people go to prison than any other president always back to george washington. it was the most corrupt administration history of the iran contra scandals he had two major recessions one was worse than anything we've s

believe it they didn't get it they don't want to have every intelligence director in the world and tommy franks went to jordan and egypt you know what they told him he would be careful they're going to use weapons of mass destruction against you be sure you have the lawsuits the boy is that we have to grab point that some of the we have there we have to wrap this up for us i'm sorry we only might have to go on i'm sure for a long long time but robert jamie thank you very very much for the clown show right now right is suggesting that osama bin laden was actually killed by george w. bush ten years ago his body has been kept frozen so now as to why bush would kill for have this political pros present for president obama you got me but it's all over the internet i guess it's not supposed to make sense between the crazies and the internet the stories only get one more bizarre. coming up the muslim community in america continued to endure racial profiling government policy analyst for muslim public affairs council one hundred battell discusses this matter a half. into the only new treatment in isms

personally of bin laden's death it was a shame that we didn't get him nine and a half years ago when tommy franks essentially let the guy escape over the border in tora bora over the mountains into afghanistan. but we should have gotten the guy a lot sooner i don't think it's a moral or psychological victory personally i'm not shooting any cheers for bin ladin oh no order no longer you know would be with us but what was a change i don't really know if it's going to change much of anything and again you know you said it very well you know you kind of ran down all the different conflicts that we're in and ice and i was talking about the draft increasing the size of our military that's the alternative to just pulling out decisions that have got to be made no one wants to make the tough decisions and as a result we just rags on and on and on and the scuse me the comparisons to viet nam you know during viet nam i was a teenager tour in viet nam my father fought in viet nam i was at west point during the last years of the vietnam conflict. limited engagement robert mcnamara's theory of limited engageme

he and tommy franks refused pleas to provide more military force at tora bora. if they had done so we would have nailed osama bin laden in >> 2002. so, it's rich now for them to be trying to claim credit for this. >> didn't want to suffer too many casualties going through the mountains there? that's what i thought, right? >> right. >> wait a minute, we won't close the back door on the guy and he gets away. my larger complaint we get to josh, my larger complaint they went wrong way like on a football field, run wag to get a touchdown, catch bin laden, wait a minute, run the other goal post, they run the other way, and they go to war in iraq, nothing do with this guy. thousands and thousands of people, waste years and years, nothing to do with what happened this week. did you see we did this thing? no, you didn't, you went to the other goal post, went the other direction. you thought getting saddam hussein was the name of the game. your point, josh? >> there was what happened to in tora bora, the large refocusing of attention on iraq back the end of -- back the en

block his escape was made by secretary of defense donald rumsfeld and his top commander, general tommy franksy literally refused to send in troops to get bin laden even when they knew he was cornered. and now they want the credit? are you kidding me? then in 2006, just in case anyone still thought bush cared about bin laden, be he took decisive action. bush allowed the cia to shutdown a unit that had been hunting bin laden for a decade. the reason, according to the "new york times," official also decided bin laden wasn't the threat he once was. so much for wanted dead or alive. that same year, bush hammered home the point, explaining that a massive hunt for bin laden didn't square with his military strategy. "this thing about let's put 100,000 of our special forces stomping through pakistan in order to find bin laden is just simply not the strategy that will work." wrong again. special forces did kill bin laden in pakistan, except it was under a competent president, a president who cared to actually get the job done. bush's effort, or lack of effort to get bin laden, was pathetic and a comple

military central command and worked for tommy franks. very risky but sophisticated operation. how much rehearsal goes into something like this? >> oh, extraordinary. probably talking about months now. unlike what we had in bora, this was more of a preplanned situation. where you had target intelligence packages that we call tips, for instance, of showing people what door to turn, what door to go into, what wall to climb so quite a bit of operation. >> torabo are ra was the last time that the u.s. was suspected of closing in on bin laden. ten years later they finally get him. why did torabora fail and this mission succeed. >> i think there we had very difficult terrain. remember, we're at 15,000 feet. so to move the delta on site there to another location to chase bin laden and his overwatch people was very difficult. this was quite different terrain. this was an urban setting. there you had a number of rat mines, as you called them. very difficult to track. also very difficult to pick up signals intelligence, which is all we really had t