i hope tony likes it. [laughing] [applause] >> we knew this would be tremendously embarrassing to tony, because tony, you know, doesn't like to be recognized in any way. but the reason we did this, tony -- and i want to thank the trial lawyers association or the northern california criminal trial lawyers association as well as stuart hanlon. we're going to also have an image of you -- a sculpture of you, in our trial room to help inspire the next generation of attorneys. but this one is yours. [applause] so thank you very much to all of our panelists. we're going to take a five-minute break and then come back with our next p >> the second panel. this panel is going to be incredible. it really is. we have a superstar panel and, of course, a superstar moderator that i'm very honored to introduce, and that's judge lee baxter. and judge lee baxter is retired now from the bench, although you would never know it. and she's enjoying a new career as a photographer, is a great photographer. but during the time that

>>> no de ninguna manera tony no.cÍas que no confiabas y no tienes interÉs de tener hijos >>> bplÁticame quÉ tal ahora qu vas a ser papÁ. >>> una de las cosas que ha hecho dios en mi vida es eso, yo hace, voy a cumplir 5 aÑos de casado con 4 hijos preciosos, son mi vida, entera en vivo, este tengo que pensar en comprar 4 par de zapatos antes que yo comprarme uno >>> ernesto si pudieras cambiar algo de tu vida quÉ cambiarÍas? >>> no cambiarÍa nada tony, la verdad, o sea, lo que me tocÓ vivir me tocÓ a mÍ, el pasado ya estÁ atras, no lo puedo cambiar no, las cosas viejas pasaron ya. yo por ejemplo mi papÁ que usted coz skwo conocieron, mi papÁs era de aguascalientess y era muy agresivo, mi papÁ golpeaba a el tipo adelante de mÍ. cuando tenÍa 17 aÑos yo hacia lo mismo se me cerraba alguien me bajo buenaba y golpeaba. ahora los hijos lo que hacemos es que lo acrecentamos, y esto era golpe y traÍa un bate en mi coche y a lateral gratal gradoÍ lleguÉ a tener una 38 en mi coche sin permiso. >>> como tu mamÁ como dije anterio

tony? >> i think in a corrupt society in a perfect society as we have, there has to be a hope or a projected ideal that there is justice, we'll say, in the court system and that there's idealistic lawyers, and there's fair judges, and there's not, you know, indelible bias and prejudice and rac racism, sexis, and all of those things dissipate, you know, when we approach the per diem. it's just like blinding our self. it's a way of taking the placebo instead of the medicine. great reform is required. we're threatened now by totalitarian tactics, grand juries, informants, mandatory sentencing. it's not very good, my friends. we're losing constitutional rights every day. and i think the way we appease our conscious, those of us who desire, i guess, not to probe and not to reform and not to speak out is we pretend that things have occurred in courts that didn't real liquor. [applause] >> it sounds like all of those things would make great tv or, of course, a great novel. paulette, you've spent s

and right next to her we have tony serra, and tony serra is the most prolific trial lawyer of our times. he's tried more cases than any other living lawyer. if you ever had a chance to see him in court, it's just a sight to behold. it really is. we're so grateful that he could be here today. he's trying a triple homicide case right now in oakland. he has a jury out waiting. you may get called away but we're hope you're able to stay for the panel. finally, we have sheldon siegel. and sheldon siegel is a corporate lawyer who has written a series -- i think seven books now, a fictional criminal defense attorney named mike daley who actually lives here in san francisco. and he's written a series of books and these becomes have been shown and transcribed and read throughout the world. so we're going to start now with a clip, a video clip and then we're going to go to the panel. >> i think it is our national novel. if there was a national novel of week, this would be it for the united states. i think it's the favorite book of almost everybody you meet. >> the first time in my life that the bo