>> host: gulf of tonkin. >> guest: oh, the gulf of tonkin. well, the gulf of tonkin was the incident that kind of gave justification for going into vietnam. the american media and government put forward this idea that we had been attacked on the high seas. it's a bit of a stretch, if you think about it. if you think about the ways wars are justified, you know, the sinking of the maine and the gulf of tonkin and saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction, really where is the threat? where are we threatened? it's true that 9/11 happened. did not happen because of iraq, it did not happen because a government attacked us, it was a, you know, very determined group of individuals and a horrible, horrible thing, but the gulf of tonkin became the justification for what ultimately was the death of three million people. so we have to be very skeptical. one of the callers earlier said the government lied. well, there's a cautionary tale. all governments lie. that's one of the things they do consistently. so it's not just the united states' governmen

it was a kerr determined group of individuals and a horrible, horrible thing, but the gulf of tonkin became the dusk of what ultimately was the death of three million people. one of the callers earlier said the government lied. there's a cautionary tale. all governments lie. that's one of the things they do countily so it's not just the united states. russia lies, china lies, and one of the things that marks a government or administration when it's moving into high propagandas when it lies and knows that you know it's lying, but it does it anyway. so when the chinese said after tianimen these were outside foreign agents and said its consistently with a straight face, they said it as recently as last week it's a lie. everybody knows it's a lie but they say and it what's the message? we can say it. so that colin powell shows you the picture of mass destruction and must know that anybody with a computer is going to figure out it's silliness and a lie but we can lie. you're frippet 'ed. you're sheep and we will treat you as passive and unimportant so we're going lie to you. so absolutely

i don't know why kennedy sent in the advisers then i'd also like to you to discuss the gulf of tonkin. >> guest: what was the second? >> host: gulf of tonkin. >> guest: well, that was the manufactured incident that gave kind of the justification for going into vietnam. it never happened, but in the american media and the american government put forward this idea that we had been attacked on the high seas. it's a bit of a stretch if you think about it. if you think about the ways wars are justified, you know, the sinks of the main and the gulf of tonkin and saad dam hussein has weapons of maas destruction, really where are we threatened? it's true that 9/11 happened, did not happen because of iraq, did not happen because a government attacked us, it was a, you know, very determined group of individuals and a horrible, horrible thing. but the gulf of tonkin became the justification for what ultimately was the death of three million people. so we have to be very skeptical. one of the callers earlier said the government lied. well, there's a cautionary tale. all governments lie. that's on