the pretext for going to war with with the spanish similarly you could see that about the gulf of tonkin you know knows how many other of these proposals have been really initiated even maybe acted upon and presidential administrations i mean we won't ever know until these de caza vacations happened like we said over a century later strictures keep saying it's a matter of national security we're going to classify these released some fifty seventy five years later and it was just a matter of national security they were the people to revolt staging area and it's a matter of national interest a public interest for people to actually be able to see this even if it is fifty years later the fact that the obama administration is saying now that it's been fifty years and skinny but we're going to wait a little bit longer to we have to give those documents i think that's an acceptable way out to move on but you have photos of the second thing that people asked for the u.f.o. documents cited in the j.f.k. documents they wanted to disclose these and of course they were rejected but right now in was

the pretext for going to war with with the spanish similarly you could see that about the gulf of tonkin i know knows how many other of these proposals have been really initiated even may be acted upon and presidential administrations i mean we won't ever know until these de caza vacations happen like we said over a century later strictures keep saying it's a matter of national security we're going to classify these released some fifty seventy five years later and it was just a matter of national security they were the people to revolt staging area and it's a matter of national interest public interest for people to actually be able to see this even if it is fifty years later the fact that the obama administration is saying now that it's been fifty years and skinny but we're going to wait a little bit longer to give those documents i think that's unacceptable we ought to move on but you have photos of the second thing that people asked for the u.f.o. documents in the j.f.k. documents they wanted to disclose these and of course they were rejected by. right now in washington d.c. for the n

the caller is referring to the gulf of tonkin incident. it is fairly unflinching in the criticism of the nsa and it's been years. it does not say that anyone deliberately cut and pasted intelligence in order to force johnson into war. it admits that nsa analysts were sloppy and softly -- the organization was set up in a way that it did not catch mistakes that were huge and it misled the white house about the true nature of what happened in the gulf of tonkin. having read a number of declassified cia and nsa reports about incidences' in our history, when you read a story about these organizations to write these reports, it is fairly critical and judgmental. and it is a good thing. i would urge people who are interested in some of these reports to look at the national security archive at george washington university. and even the cia's website, they have a database called crest where you can search for a lot of the cia's declassified documents. and a lot of them are very interesting. and it gives you a sense of how they collection overtime h

lied with the gulf of tonkin incident. we are talking about killing people.ming from a new testament i thinknd, as i do, there is no more significant decision as human being can make them to take another person's life. >> thanks for your input. a couple of minutes more. democrats line. go ahead. caller: can you hear me clearly? host: we sure can. caller: as to media coverage on war, i feel it is very, very poor. we had a little coverage about the afghanistan war before we went into iraq. iraq, we hadinto barely any coverage about afghanistan. the news media, or the mainstream news media, never reports on the war on drugs, the secret wars, flying drones and , the white house declaring war on prescription painkillers. nobody seems to make the connection between vietnam and flow of heroinhe that came into america. now that afghanistan is winding down, you are once again having a huge problem with heroin flowing into america and becoming the new drug of choice, or old drug of choice. even the little pakistani girl that got shot in the head by the i watched, tryin

20 minutes that go back through bad history and potential expansion of this conflict and a gulf of tonkin resolution going back to 1964 which most americans will remember, lyndon johnson drove a truck through to get us involved in vietnam. i'm afraid in the final analysis, the, a pum the president is going to have to make is going to be lost as time go by and as congressional opponents essentially are fighting a much stronger public opinion battle against his position. and if he tries to take action militarily, should the congress, i dare say, vote against this resolution, let me ask you this. what will they then do after that? what will the republicans, ted cruz and others do about potentially putting up article of impeachment? this is why i am so deeply concerned about what the president is about to do. >> let me follow up with you on that. to some degree, this is a conversation about the role of the united states on the global stage. and we have ironically, within the conservative party, we have varying degrees of opinion but there is an opinion about the united states as a global powe

throughout the wars, you know, vietnam, we had the gulf of tonkin incident with, with the first iraq war, the babies being taken out of the incubators, kuwait side drilling into iraq and then the weapons of mass destruction, you look at a lot of different groups. and there are different groups that have brought us into those wars and their incentives. the groups that you looked at, what were the alliances that you saw that were going across boundaries that you might not think of that were pushing towards war and the conflict and shaping the forces of history to come? [laughter] >> well, in one sense, and it would be very glib of me what my answer has to be though is everyone. everyone was participating in what you're calling the shaping of history or the kind of move toward war. it's very confusing in ways and humbling to be living now. and as you've mentioned, you know, we're the recipient of many, many wars in anyone in here's lifetime, and then looking back and looking at a war like the civil war and wondering how did it happen, why did it happen, who made it happen? and one of th

i think gulf of tonkin.lly written in the johnson white house and then sent to the white hou congress. george h.w. bush, george w. b h bush, in the case of rnlg george bush, directly attacked. we didn't go and launch a counterattack. we waited and got authorization. >> the idea that the president would have us believe in this speech he is suddenly oh concso concerned with our constitution is preposterous, totally ridiculous on its face. this president spent the bert year of his last campaign on his ability and willingness to circumvent congress on everything. on virtually every substantive issue. the president has been out el itting people, i don't need to wait for congress. i can do it on my own. including recess appointment. he thinks he has the authority to determine when congress is and is not in recess and now is suddenly concerned about this? if he were so concerned about congressional authorization of military action, why didn't he seek it when he did something by most accounts much more extensive in

the gulf of tonkin incident never happened, and there were no weapons of mass destruction.why do you not advocate a sane policy of no u.s. aggressive action in syria until the u.n. fact-finding committee issues its report? up,s i said, when i opened the u.n. has made a request to minute states -- to the united states that no physical action be taken until they have finished their report by sunday of this week. from what i understand, and what i can say, that is being taken into consideration. i would hope that we would adhere to that. at few days is not going to matter here. the american people want to see the evidence. the american people deserve it. by the way, i'm a congressman. i would like to see the evidence. that is as far as i will go. a reasonable a request. they delayed the beginning of the investigation, the bigger the more they delay it, less evidence would be sanctified. that is very critical and important. that evidence be captured, and identifiable, and it not be dissolved in the air so we can find out where it came from. >> it is my understanding they have s

the gulf of tonkin incident never happened, and there were no weapons of mass destruction.why do you not advocate a sane policy of no u.s. aggressive action in syria until the u.n. fact-finding committee issues its report? >> as i said, when i opened up, the u.n. has made a request to the united states that no physical action be taken until they have finished their report by sunday of this week. from what i understand, and what i can say, that is being taken into consideration. i would hope that we would adhere to that. at few days is not going to matter here. the american people want to see the evidence. the american people deserve it. by the way, i'm a congressman. i would like to see the evidence. that is as far as i will go. i think it is a reasonable request. the syrian government delayed the beginning of the investigation, the longer, the more they delay it, less evidence would be sanctified. that is very critical and important. that evidence be captured, and identifiable, and it not be dissolved in the air so we can find out where it came from. >> it is my understand