but the gulf of tonkin is a horrendous lie by lyndon johnson and does lead to those 58,000 dead. and i think the caller is making a point, what are the big lies, the ones that really count, the policy lies that have a larger consequence than donald trump's rhetoric or, you know, inability to be fact-based. that's something that people will debate, you know. we'll have to see all the trump years manifest itself and the same with barack obama. i think the big misleading -- to be able to say what's the -- barack obama ran a very squeaky clean eight years when it comes from not having indictments come flooding out of his administration. but i think the affordable care act was sold in a disingenuous way in the sense of what you would get out of the affordable care act. and so, you know, i think that's an interesting question. one person may tell 5,000 lies but all of those add up to a one gulf of tonkin lie, i think that can be debated. host: michael, deerfield beach, florida, a democrat. did morning. dan michael: yes, good morning. as much as i'd like to inquire about the space race,

repealed theress gulf of tonkin resolution.hat i mean by expanding the discussion is, the old notion that we can be involved in the vietnam war and even other wars without congress authorizing it and how they have cast aside their constitutional responsibility. thinkingt i am -- i am we should protest, not just the sake of wearing an armband, but is that your consideration, how congress was not authorizing this military involvement when that is a primary responsibility for congress? -- give your thoughts on how could you give your thoughts on how that is part of the matter at hand here? host: eric, thank you. john tinker? guest: that's a very important point to make. a very important question. time, we were the opposed to the war because we were suffering the death and the destruction, and also for the hope -- we wore our armbands hoping that the christmas truce that robert kennedy had proposed would be taken seriously, and possibly could lead to an ending of the war. point, this is all post-world war ii. the russians, the sovi

repealed theress gulf of tonkin resolution. what i mean by expanding the discussion is the whole notion we can be involved in the vietnam war and and even other worse since then without warsess that ot -- other since then without congress -- what i'm asking -- i'm thinking this must have been part of your protest. not to just protest for the sake of wearing an armband. was that any consideration? how congress was not authorizing this military involvement when that is a primary responsibility for congress? can you give your thoughts on how that is part of the whole matter at hand here? i would like to hear. host: john tinker? guest: that's a very important point to make, a very important question. time we weret the opposed to the war because of the suffering, the death and destruction. and also for the hope. re the christmas trees -- possibly leading to an ending of the war. point, this is all post-world war ii. the russians, the soviet union was our ally in world war ii to defeat the nazis. and the japanese also. war, world war

but the gulf of tonkin is a horrendous lie by lyndon johnson and does lead to those 58,000 dead.nd i think the caller is making a point, what are the big lies, the ones that really count, the policy lies that have a larger consequence than donald trump's rhetoric or, you know, inability to be fact-based. that's something that people will debate, you know. we'll have to see all the trump years manifest itself and the same with barack obama. i think the big misleading -- to be able to say what's the -- barack obama ran a very squeaky clean eight years when it comes from not having indictments come flooding out of his administration. but i think the affordable care act was sold in a disingenuous way in the sense of what you would get out of the affordable care act. and so, you know, i think that's an interesting question. one person may tell 5,000 lies but all of those add up to a one gulf of tonkin lie, i think that can be debated. host: michael, deerfield beach, florida, a democrat. did morning. dan michael: yes, good morning. as much as i'd like to inquire about the space race, w

intervention in the case of iraq weapons of mass destruction in the case of the vietnam war the gulf of tonkin and in the case of the dominican republic the deaths of supposedly thousands of citizens what i worry about is that what i worry about is that as they unleash a strategy that is essentially intended to create fissures in the military and look for ruptures and try to instigate so one faction of the military to attack the other that becomes the basis of potential intervention the social fabric in venezuela has been torn it's very fragile sense of a social fabric so it's very dangerous to play with that scenario ok paul i mean how unified is the military here because of course we had c.n.n. trotting out. a defector or someone that would start working with this illegitimate self-proclaimed interim president here i mean even even the commentary and even in the mainstream media there egging this on how unified is the military in backing the legitimate government not this government that is trying to come to power with the backing of washington and its allies go ahead. as with any e-mail add

off the gulf of tonkin off the coast of vietnam, a u.s. navy ship claimed it had been attacked. it turns out it hadn't been thecked, but it didn't stop u.s. congress from voting almost unanimously to send thousands of troops to vietnam. it was already going on, but more in secret by lyndon johnson. all of this was going on at the same time and those lightning times that are so much like our times that you are living in today. students in mississippi didn't think that was right. they spoke up. they used their first amendment rights. they wore these buttons to school that said one man, one nonviolentnt coordinating committee. and they were suspended from student for doing that. it was a black school, a segregated school, and they were suspended. came aboutcase called burnside versus myers. wasad no idea that case going to influence all of our lives and all of the lives all of you students who are watching this have today. because this is the case that the substantial disruption standard in schools. buthave free speech rights, you cannot substantially disrupt school. because the ki

been but then congress authorized military involvement and in 1968, congress repealed the gulf of tonkin revolution -- resolution. what i mean by expanding the discussion is the old notion that we can be involved in the without congress --horizing it and how they they're constitutional responsibility. i am thinking this must have been part of your protest not to just protest for the sake of that a an armband but is consideration, how congress was not authorizing this military , or not the primary responsibility of congress and can you give your thoughts on how that is part of the whole matter at hand? host: thank you. that is a very important point to make, a very important question. personally at the time, we were opposed to the war because of the suffering and death and district -- and destruction. hoping thatarmbands the christmas truce that robert kennedy had proposed would be taken seriously and possibly could lead to an ending of the war. but to your point, this is all post-world war ii. the russians and the soviet union was our ally in world war ii to defeat cannot seize -- to def