whether it was jerome adams, surgeon general, tony fauci, the medical adviser, where you couldn't trustrce even though those were the very people we should have trusted. >> this propaganda approach was also spreading out. bob, when you look at this urging that sometimes you did, july 2020, he's focused on the campaign and gets defensive when you talk about responsibility, let's play that. >> you have to be fair, i think. i don't think you have to be tough. >> yeah, that includes being fair, but -- >> nobody's done what i've done, bob in 3 1/2 years. >> okay, i understand -- >> the virus came along, that's not my fault -- >> the virus -- >> that's china's fault. >> lindsey graham is right, you are running against the virus. not joe biden. >> well, i'm running against both. >> this picks up where we left off with you, bob, which was, yes, you asked questions. sometimes, especially with something like this, you make statements, assertions, trying to get something back out of him. what are you doing there, what were you hoping to get out of him? >> i'm trying to understand what's going on.