coming up, an interview with tony blair. the u.s. is now holding $800 million in aid to pakistan. is there a deepening rift in the wake of bin laden's death? i'll speak to the pakistani ambassador to the united states. that's coming up. plus, how did a stun gun end up on a jetblue airplane? we have details. >>> new evidence of just how much relations with pakistan has deteriorated. the obama administration now confirming it's holding $800 million in military aid to pakistan. >> welcome back to "the situation room." >> thank you for inviting many e. >> this crisis, and i think it's fair to say there's a crisis in pakistani-u.s. relations. pakistan withholding $800 million in promised military aid to pakistan. the zus not happy with what you're doing. what do you do about it? >> first old all, i don't think that's a correct characterization. it includes $300 million in reimbursements that have just been slowed down. we haven't received a reimbursement since december 2010. so basically, it's just something that's already slow, having been slowed down more. the fact is that -- >> are

between tony blair and bill clinton and then tony blair and george w. bush, and i know a great deal about the bush and lawyer relationship because both of them were involved in dragging their country into the war against iraq in march of 2003. and i think in both cases both the case of tony blair and of george w. bush there is evidence they told a hand full of lies to the republics, but there is no evidence that they told lies to each other. in fact they worked hand-in-hand to drag the united states and britain into the war. >> did you write the book between -- before the wikileaks that was so? >> i began on the book a long time ago in fact in 2003 and what happened is i got a call from a man named serge in "the new york times" who was writing a piece for the review section of the times on the international alliance and he and i had never met but he said for some reason when he thought about the subject my name popped into his head. >> why do you think that was? >> i'm not sure, probably i am a well-known realist and someone who believes in the politics

tony blair and bill clinton were close george bush and tony blair were very close. >> i looked very carefully at the relationship between tony blair and the art -- bill clinton and george of the bush. i know a lot about the bush player relationship because both were involved to drag their countries into war march 2003. thin in both cases of 20 blair and the case of george of the bush there is evidence they told a handful of lies to their public but there is no evidence they told lies to each other. they worked hand in hand to drag the united states and britain into that war. >> host: did you write this book before wikileaks started? >> yes. i began a long time ago 2003. i got a call from a man who was with "the new york times" and writing a piece for the weekend review section of the times on international wind. we had never met but he said for some reason when he thought of the subject line name popped into his head. >> host: why is that? >> guest: i am not sure. a i am somebody who is likely to believe and states ally a lot. i thought i would find evidence of leaders lying all the time but

iraq could deploy weapons of mass destruction within forty five minutes it led to scrutiny of tony blair's decision to invade iraq it was british journalist andrew gilligan who david kelly had spoken to to publicize his belief that the forty five minute claim had been exaggerated gilligan believes there are similarities between kelly and short haul being at the center of one of these storms a terrifying experience i really don't believe either david all sure was murdered because. i simply don't think it would have been in anyone's interest to murder them once they got into the public spotlight anyone with an iota of sense of

the because of the fact that tony blair and george bush weren't voted for war crimes. you know by extension we shouldn't because of the fear of whether or not these people are in the know it's the case that the crimes warrants such as such as . if verdict being put on their head and with a very very strong very very strong statement to the rest of the players in the world but if you do follow such vicious and such horrible crimes against your people but you won't be given or. as easily as you think you may. tony blair or george bush should be should be investigated for their crimes in iraq but it doesn't mean by extension that you know that the arab dictators of the world to get away with such heinous crimes ok omar you want to jump in there i mean if you see it seems kind of i did you know you should be indicted for war crimes if you kill other people not your own people but if you kill your own people you should be indicted and seems kind of skewed in itself omar go ahead. but what i'm trying to say. there is no civil war going on in libya we're not talking to war fa

as you think you may that's not this that tony blair and george bush. should be investigated for their crimes in iraq but it doesn't mean by extension you know that the arab dictators of the world to get away with such heinous crimes ok omar you want to jump in there i mean militancy it seems kind of i did you know you should be indicted for war crimes if you kill other people not your own people but if you kill your own people you should be indicted it seems kind of skewed in itself omar go ahead. what i'm trying to say there is no civil war go on iran libya we're not talking two warring factions with equal amount of weapons the libyan regime decided to kill its own people with its own military machine. innocent civilians that's one too i think. in london is saying there are no people that have been indicted outside of africa the balkan states we have at least one or two people there were indicted and. now you're going to jail and i think the international i think the international criminal court which began operations in two thousand and two specifica

and indeed when are we going to see the transparency from tony blair and from gordon brown? second, second, second issue -- second issue, his questions about andy gillison. >> order, the house is getting overexcited again. i'm glad it's calmed down and we want to listen to what the prime minister to say. >> and he asks questions about andy coulson, no one has raised a single question about his conduct at number 10 downing street and there was only one party with a news national executive with a cloud in his head sitting in his office. third question, the questions he raising about my chief of staff edward luellen. is he honestly saying when it comes to the proposed meeting with the john yates is the leader of the opposition suggesting that he knows better than the chairman of the home secretary than the cabinet secretary than john yates and paul stevenson and all these people including jeremy hayward who by the way who worked diligently for tony blair and gordon brown. is he saying all those people are wrong and he's right? let me just answer the question about sir paul's re

he was press secretary for former prime minister tony blair. i spoke to him earlier from london.talked about that so-called poisonous relationship. but first, i asked him how he thought murdoch handled the hearing today. >> i think what people may be a bit surprised by in terms of his whole town before the appearance of the mp" parliament, was the sense of almost being divorced from a lot of the events have been convulsing part of his company, an important part of his company here in the uk and the metropolitan police and the british government and the british political system. and yet even questions you really would have thought he would have answers to, he didn't. one point, for example, at which somebody raised -- run of the mps raised a previous select committee report into activities at his newspaper, and he honestly looked like he was being informed about this for the first time in his life. and i think people will be quite surprised by that, and i thought with james as well, although he was clearly much more on top of the detail, that he too, there are areas where frankly

was -- and also while he was chancellor, i would have gone maybe six times a year. >> and with tony blair, similar? >> probably similar, and maybe in the last few years a little more, but i mean, i can if you want the exact numbers, i can do my best to get that, but strangely, it was under labor prime ministers that i was a regular to downing street, and not the current administration. >> and do you think that there was a change of emphasis when you were at either the "sun" or the chief executive of "news international" because it struck me growing up that the "sun" and the "news of the world" and particularly the "sun" was a rather antiestablishment kind of publication, and always seemed to me the sort of paper that was on the side of the little person fighting the establishment. would you say that when you became editor and obviously your relationship with those prime ministers, there was a shift in actually the "news international" being aer pat p the establishment as opposed to the anti-establishment. >> well, considering the number of complaints i would get from the i prime ministers

alister campbell, former press spokesman for former prime minister tony blair. john burns of t "new york times," and roger cohen of t "new york times" plu the editor of bloomberg business week >> we've worked non-stop on this story for two and a half years and we've concentrated our guns on the news of the world because that's where the evidence was. so i think once the judicial inquiry startsopening they're going to want ee everybody and ask very tough questions and in a sma world where people chge from one newspaper to another all the time it's likely that somof these techniques transfer from newsroom to newsroom. >> rose: we conclude with paul farmer of the harvard medical scol. he has a nookalledhaiti after the earthquake." >> i hope that this book helps contribute to a discussion about humanitarian relief, disaster response and development assistance. and i hope that people also learn something from the one experience in coordinating, somewhat aggressively, many say, humanitarian relief they've insisted if you want to work there, you have to be a part of th

he wins will the last person leaving england turn the lights out and it was a real a real effort tony blair flew to australia to get on bended need to ask to ask murdoch for his endorsement and murdoch flipped over to labor to the equivalent of the democratic party in this case it's about profit empowered not about politics for murdoch gordon brown the next prime minister attended rebecca brooks as wedding protege david cameron the current prime minister supported was supported murdoch and vice a versa and even hired andy cole some one of its editors the guy who was running news of the world when they were hacking phones as press secretary brits are waking up to the fact that murdoch has been manipulating their politics but americans the path through the republican nomination to the reality is through fox news if you don't get on fox news if you're ignored by fox news you're republican you never going to you know there's nowhere to go but you get a softball treatment on their shows it's the only network in fact most republican candidates will even go out if murdoch doesn't support you here'

the points martin made about the back door entry he had to 10 downing to david cameron and tony blaire are political figures, mostly in the republican party, but not exclusively, that have bowed to rupert murdoch, that have cultivated him. in fact, hillary clinton, when she was running for the senate did, and so this is a guy who's clearly enjoyed the political influence and that's clearly taken a huge blow as a result of this scandal

he was the press spokesman for tony blair and guess what he said in his diaries. rupert murdoch through the backdoor at number 10. this man had full and free access to the most senior individuals elected in the united kingdom. he had close relationships with the editors of his newspapers. for example, piers morgan who was the editor for 18 months in his recollection writes that rupert murdoch spoke to him at least once a week for 18 months. we have a vast contrast between a man sitting before a house of commons committee, incapable of remembering anything, and idea individuals who interacted with him remember everything is it really possible that rupert murdoch knew nothing? absolutely? rupert murdoch knew nothing, absolutely zero? and remember, he had newspapers under his control that were delivering the most spectacular stories, stories about members of the royal family asking 500,000 pounds to allow people access to prince andrew. he -- that's the sort of story that his newspaper was delivering. members of parliament, for example, caught in bed with various wom

the points martin made about the back door entry he had to 10 downing to david cameron and tony blairtly in the republican party, but not exclusively, that have bowed to rupert murdoch, that have cultivated him. in fact, hillary clinton, when she was running for the senate di

. >> and the man in the streets as he remembers tony blair topping off to consort with rupert on the island and gordon brown constantly having his door open to visiting murdoch's and all of that. i do not think this is strictly a conservative-labor issue. there are those who believe david cameron should have had andy resign over the first allegations of hacking. he looks a bit stupid now. it does not do anything for his authority. uso voluble yesterday, saying that this is an outrage -- he was so valuable yesterday, saying that this is an outrage and something must be done about it. >> in other news of the world, yemeni president ali abdullah saleh has appeared on state television just months after the rocket attack on his compound that nearly killed him. he has undergone eight successful operations to treat his burns. the european central bank has raised its main interest rate by one-quarter of a percent to try to keep the lid on inflation. the rate is now 1.5%. correspondents say the decision is controversial because the country is already struggling with the government debt crisis

party offices is putting resources and in and reforming things with the rock college of surgeons, tony blair, most people working in the in a chest but not the party office. >> the prime minister should not have to shout to make himself heard. >> the whole country will have heard that he has admitted that 852 million pounds of making people redundant anti cannot say that they will not be rehired to do their old jobs. he promised a bonfire and he is paying more. teapot -- promised a better deal for the patience and things are getting worse. what is he doing for the national health service? >> what the whole country will have noticed is that at time when people are afraid of strikes, he cannot talk about this because he is in the pocket of the unions. at a time when greece's facing deficit problems, he cannot talk about this because his plan is to make great britain -- britain like greece. at the time when the economy is the key issue, he cannot talk about the economy because of his plans for tax cuts. this is what we see every week. he has a talk about the micro because he cannot talk about t

. >> tony blair called him three times in the 10 days before the war on iraq. he called him on the eve of invasion. does rupert murdoch's power over british politicians extent to american politicians as well? >> of course, i have no detailed knowledge of american politics but there's no doubt that sense fox news came on the scene, the growth of the more exotic right wing and politics, the tea party, and a lot of other shock jocks and so on, there is no doubt that their influence is on the american politicians which i deplore. he is better able to cope with murdoch than the uk. as a prime minister, you have to also ask his permission to do stuff. he has become an over might be subject. david cameron is often photographed in the company of the chief executive of mr. murdoch's executive -- and mr. murdoch's british operations. at some point, he needs to be seen off. >> we have continued fallout from this. they have identified 4000 possible phone hacking victims and hundreds more have contacted them saying that they might have been targeted. we have the latest on t

news of the world has gotten by hacking into the voice mail accounts by mcjager, gwyneth paltrow, tony blaird a member of prince william's staff. but it is the intrusion into the voice mail of millie doweller that outraged a nation. the news of the world not only hacked into milly's voice mail to hear desperate relatives trying to reach her, it deleted messages to make room for others and so gaffe her family false hope she was still alive, dialing into her own voice mail. he was found six months left. >> the family, which had made heart rending appeals is distraught. >> the technique for hacking into voice mall accounts is frightening limb pl. all it takes is two phones. on one you dial the number in question. while it's busy, you dial the number again on the other phone which immediately goes to voice mail. it's a matter of dialing in the usually factory pin numbers, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 0000. it's surprising how many people never change their pin. the scandal has business and political fallout. the news of the world is owned by rupert mer dock. now runs his operations and refused to resign. she'

iraq could deploy weapons of mass destruction within forty five minutes it led to scrutiny of tony blair's decision to invade iraq by extraordinary coincidence kelly's body was discovered exactly eight years before that of sean hordes on the eighteenth of july two thousand and three it was british journalist andrew gilligan who david kelly had spoken to.

and it was actually the other night when we were talking with tony blair. he was asked a questionbout the science of climate change and he said "look, every science advisor i had said that climate change was real. every science advisor for every major nation on earth said climate change is real." he said "they might all b wrong bu they're all saying the same thing. so what we need to kind of t away from is that deba. because the fact is... >> rose: but why does the debate linger? >> well, it lingers because, as i say, science is partially ideology. >> rose: mitt romney got in political trouble with some people... you know,ith rush limbaugh and others by suggesting that there's a human contribution to global warming. >> let me just put it to you... let me just... the conversation i had with leaders that are uncertain about the science, what i sty them is i'm not a scientist so i'mnot going to get into a scientific argument. but let's look at it this way. if there was a 1% chance that the plane you were getting into this morning to fly here was going torash,

. >> and the man in the streets as he remembers tony blair topping off to consort with rupert on the island and gordon brown constantly having his door open to visiting murdoch's and all of that. i do not think this is strictly a conservative-labor issue. there are those who believe david cameron should have had andy resign over the first allegations of hacking. he looks a bit stupid now. it does not do anything for his authority. uso voluble yesterday, saying that this is an outrage -- he was so valuable yesterday, saying that this is an outrage and something must be done about it. >> in other news of the world, yemeni president ali abdullah saleh has appeared on state television just months after the rocket attack on his compound that nearly killed him. he has undergone eight successful operations to treat his burns. the european central bank has raised its main interest rate by one-quarter of a percent to try to keep the lid on inflation. the rate is now 1.5%. correspondents say the decision is controversial because the country is already struggling with the government debt crisis

. >> joining me now from london is the deputy prime minister went tony blair was in power. 45 of his mobile phone messages were hacked into. this is a very sorry tale. it goes back to 2006 when your own messages were broken into. how evasive was that? >> the police kept in mind that that was so. i had to go to the court and force them to commit and setup a new inquiry. that is finding all of disinformation. the information was available before. why didn't the police act on it instead of the nine that my phone messages had been broken into? now we are learning the appalling situation of the phone's not only having messages on them, the girl found that not only were they wiped off, they were wiped off by the news of the world to add more information so they could get more stories so the man to sell it to the press. that is murder of's press. -- murdoch's press. he is now backing rebecca brooks. she is doing the inquiry. she was the editor. >> are we dealing with this situation both here and the u.s. where the murdoch news empire is very powerful as well and back there and britain, poli

. >> joining me now from london is the deputy prime minister went tony blair was in power. 45 of his mobile phone messages were hacked into. this is a very sorry tale. it goes back to 2006 when your own messages were broken into. how evasive was that? >> the police kept in mind that that was so. i had to go to the court and force them to commit and setup a new inquiry. that is finding all of disinformation. the information was available before. why didn't the police act on it instead of the nine that my phone messages had been broken into? now we are learning the appalling situation of the phone's not only having messages on them, the girl found that not only were they wiped off, they were wiped off by the news of the world to add more information so they could get more stories so the man to sell it to the press. that is murder of's press. -- murdoch's press. he is now backing rebecca brooks. she is doing the inquiry. she was the editor. >> are we dealing with this situation both here and the u.s. where the murdoch news empire is very powerful as well and back there and britain, poli

brown's successor tony blair had this reaction. >> i think what has shocked the british people is the absence of basic standards in the way that things are done. it >> 3/4 employees of news of the world were arrested on friday. a former editor is expected to be questioned by police about messages deleted from a murdered teenagers >> the mother and sister of the murdered teenager are still waiting to hear from the newspaper. >> there has not been an apology. >> and murdoch arrived in london on sunday and a brooks, was now the ceo of us international is his priority, this will billion dollar bid is now in jeopardy. the legal aftershocks are reaching this country. james murdoch could face prosecution under american locked for violating the foreign corrupt practices act. >> the paper is downfall is being held by some of the targets of its muckraking. george michael tweeted that closing news of the world is a fantastic day for britain. >> hey look at our extended forecast, not a lot of changes to the upcoming week. foggy mornings and fog in the afternoon, cooler temperatures, a slight warm