, era and the tony blair war machine, and she's going to define what misogyny is, is it misogyny if i tell you that event? cooper is national disgrace that she should be on trial at the hague, is that massageny, or is that me merely calling her out for her many crimes? is it misoggy for me to say that ivec cooper is a parliamentary leper for these crimes, who should be shunned in all polite company? am i saying that because she's a woman, or am i saying it because she was a part and parcel of a regime that caused murther and mayhem to cascade around the entire world, including onto the streets of our own country. i wish i had more time to dilate and expand on the many crimes of vivet cooper, otherwise known as mrs. is balls appropriately, as the wife of ed balls, another man who was absolutely intrinsic to the blare brown machinery of war, occupation and torture. have i got time for one last word from fra huge? do i have time for fra huge? last fra you're going to... to have to forgive me and we'll bring you back in the next show because i have overrun my time with the air i felt for

tony blair got 43% of the popular vote and keir starmer got 33 and change.ually, there's been a lot of punishment delivered to the conservative party by the voter. keir starmer has got to behave like prime minister, not like he's campaigning. and that means he's got to take us all with him and he can'tjust preach doom from his pulpit, say those who've watched this roll before, jo, not me. yes, i have watched it. the difference is, is palpable. they were masters of the universe in 1997. it was all about optimism. the economy was on the rise as they came in. this is and feels completely different. there is growth. there is tory growth. absolutely. but they want to be able to sort of own that when it comes. but for them at the moment, theyjust want to look back in anger, to use your oasis analogy. and they want to sit with that for a little while because they felt it worked so well in 2010. they really, really saw the success of that. they will become a sort of pivot point, if you like. but i also think it's keir starmer's style a little bit more. i mean, there

>> it was your man, tony blair. >> it was your man, tony blair. >> look, i was i was the head of theou know, kind of don't don't blame me for that. i think that we should have a different way of funding it. still, maybe a mixed model, maybe a graduate tax, for example. but i do think that we need to relook at the lie that we're telling students going in that if you do go to university, apart from the professional degrees, if you go to general university, it is not about earning big bucks initially in your career. you'll earn more money if you go and do an apprenticeship. actually, you know, kind of, but it is about life opportunities and growing as a person and learning to how learn, learning how to manage people, learning to be that class of person. but that's the reality. >> but richard drax, is it learning for learning's sake? tony blair said education, education, education. have we not got an oversupply of graduates now? and more to the point, back to the previous conversation. the working classes look at the cost, the debt at the end of it. it terrifies them. they don't go. so a

nothing illustrates this point better than the moment tony blair said this to john humphreys in 1997.ne affair. >> i'd never do anything either to harm the country or anything proper, i never have. i think most people who have dealt with me think i'm a pretty straight sort of guy, and i am a pretty straight sort of guy, and of course, it wasn't long before this pretty straight sort of guy found that he was manipulating the country with the help of tabloid journalist alastair campbell, into the war in iraq. >> the moment any politician starts to harp on about his honoun starts to harp on about his honour, integrity, honesty or using platitudes like this, we've changed the labour party returned it to service and to replace that politics of performance with the politics of service. >> and one of the big changes, if there is a labour government, is polish politics returned to service ? turn the page on an era service? turn the page on an era of politics as noisy performance and return it to public service. >> you know it's time to start counting the spoons as the prime minister or perhaps

interview with rupert lowe, who's a reform uk mp, but he's laying the blame for some of this unrest at tony blair's soley saying blair's door, lord soley saying that under the blair government too many people were let into the country. mass immigration has caused people not to assimilate and integrate properly and that's why we're where we are today. is that fair criticism? do you think ? criticism? do you think? >> no. not wholly. i mean, there's certainly and tony blair would say this himself that i think he, he enabled free movement in europe quicker than we should have done. so we had a lot of polish people come at that time. but as you all know from your news generally and people generally, people are not talking about polish people coming. it's not about that anymore. and we're out of the european union. so it's not about that anymore, no, i think this is different. and i think we need to address it with a recognition of present problems. >> what do you think is sparking the present problems and the unrest we've had? kemi badenoch the tory leadership contender talk about how people haven't pr

there was that hope and energy to the tony blair government for good _ energy to the tony blair governmentergy to the tony blair government for good or ill, there was. it feels that everyone is a bit more jaded now _ that everyone is a bit more jaded now this— that everyone is a bit more jaded now this is_ that everyone is a bit more jaded now. this is a world in which these guys _ now. this is a world in which these guys are cynical. | now. this is a world in which these guys are cynical-— guys are cynical. i remember standin: guys are cynical. i remember standing outside _ guys are cynical. i remember standing outside downing - guys are cynical. i remember. standing outside downing street guys are cynical. i remember- standing outside downing street for those parties and blair wanted to be a p0p those parties and blair wanted to be a pop star. we those parties and blair wanted to be a -o- star. ~ ., ., those parties and blair wanted to be a -o- star. ~ . ., ., a pop star. we are out of time, thank you _ a pop star. we are out of time, thank you very _ a pop star. we are out of time, than

forget tony blair's things can only get better now.sh voters and there are over 90 arrests, three stabbings and 15 police officers assaulted on the opening day. family day of the notting hill carnival yesterday. critics say it's dangerous, but those who are in favour claim it brings in over £300 million annually to the local economy. in london. is it time to ditch the notting hill carnival and one of britain's most iconic supergroups ? oasis look supergroups? oasis look definitely, maybe set to announce a comeback tour at 8 am. tomorrow morning. you could a.m. tomorrow morning. you could call that water story morning glory. so get your champagne supernova on the chill all that's coming up in your next houh that's coming up in your next hour. sorry, no singing . thanks hour. sorry, no singing. thanks for joining me on the show. this forjoining me on the show. this bank holiday monday. now there's lots and lots of talk about notting hill carnival. we've had two former police officers on the show early today, one saying that notting hill

— pavement and speak to people, tony blair was always seen as quite — tony blair was always seen as quites do matter to voters, they do— images do matter to voters, they do pick on those signals about— they do pick on those signals about how trustworthy they are, how likeable they are, how other— how likeable they are, how other people react to them, those — other people react to them, those things are important but ultimately the selection is not going — ultimately the selection is not going to — ultimately the selection is not going to be determined like any election— going to be determined like any election by the secondary characters in it, it's a choice between _ characters in it, it's a choice between harris and trump, that should — between harris and trump, that should make it clear for people i should make it clear for people i would — should make it clear for people i would help. should make it clear for people i would help-— i would help. thank you very much, i would help. thank you very much. we — i would help. thank you very much, we have _ i would help. thank you very much, w

and we've just mentioned tony blair in 97. so surely dunng tony blair in 97. surely during the tony blair era, lower tax burden than a couple of months ago. so it's not what labour always do. >> i wasn't in the country at the time. no. >> but versus the recent tories. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's that's true. i mean the recent tories are a complete disaster. no one's, no one's going to argue against that. >> and i'm also not saying starmer's not going to do that. but the idea that labour always do it when in living memory. you can remember a time when labour didn't do it, didn't do what have higher tax than we have right now. yeah this idea that labour always means higher tax than wherever you're at. well, right now we're at the highest. >> i suppose the counter might be that it was. he was building on the economic success developed by thatcher. would you know, and she called him her sort of best creation or whatever. yeah. >> well, also, it was, was it in the telegraph where keir starmer wrote one of his favourite prime ministers was thatcher. he's, you kn

that is why tony blair stopped doing _ time. that is why tony blair stopped doing it) _ time.ng lots of _ labour party, they have been having lots of meetings between treasury ministers — lots of meetings between treasury ministers and members of the labour party and _ ministers and members of the labour party and there will be something, whether— party and there will be something, whether it — party and there will be something, whether it be home insulation or something about whether support comes— something about whether support comes in — something about whether support comes in. again, it does all depend on what _ comes in. again, it does all depend on what is — comes in. again, it does all depend on what is going to be a very tight budget, _ on what is going to be a very tight budget, because they are going to have to _ budget, because they are going to have to find something to fill a very— have to find something to fill a very big — have to find something to fill a very big hole and there are big demands— very big hole and there are big demands on our public services an

, mk2 and tony blair when he got in and carried on governing essentially as a left wing tory rather than left wing tory rather than as a left wing tory rather than as a socialist. keir starmer hasn't done this . he has hasn't done this. he has governed as a socialist. and of course, that's what he stood as. but he implied something rather different, i think, in his election campaign he did. >> but as we knew during the election campaign, starmer's labour would do anything they could do and basically say very little in order to get into power. and, you know, they are doing what socialist governments do. and we say all along, you swell the public sector, you target free enterprise, you're anti—capitalism and you raise taxes. and this is what's happening. and i think it's good news for tourists because they can regroup and discover what it is that their true value and their true meaning needs to be. >> and it may also help us restore trust because it turns out that what we said to people in the election was true, that you would get a government in the pocket of unions, you would get a left

and i think that even tony blair now admits that even tony blair now admits that it was not properlyled. and i think when you're trying to put together very large numbers of people, i mean, millions of people coming in over a short period of time , 20 over a short period of time, 20 years and trying to make them assimilate without having the facilities. >> but we're not trying , though, >> but we're not trying, though, trevor. we're not trying. we're not trying. we just let people in and say, get on with it. >> well, exactly. this is the way the failure lies. i mean, schools are the are the biggest victims of this and also the place where if there were to be a melding of populations, that's where it would begin. but teachers do not have the opportunity, and perhaps not even the will to try to keep any sort of discipline in the classrooms. for instance, katharine birbalsingh, who runs an excellent school where a mixed race and mixed culture pupils are working together because she insists on having parameters which the children themselves actually enjoy and they like the success of the

meet tony blair. think that's a fabulous idea. >> i think it is , >> i think it is, >> i think it is, >> but you know, you know, whether we should intervene in countries is a big question in recent years. and it just struck me that, you know, there is a legacy there. there are people alive. there are families together. there is a safe, stable country because britain made a decision. and i think we should remember that. >> right. well, i might go on houday >> right. well, i might go on holiday to kosovo, but still ahead we will answer all of your questions and ask the vie. no topics are off soi so i wonder what have in store for welcome back to saturday five. as always, thanks for all of your emails and messages on tonight's topics. speaking of which, it's time for this . so speaking of which, it's time for this. so let's speaking of which, it's time for this . so let's see what you've this. so let's see what you've got for us this week. this is from kathleen. she says hi everyone. all i see on my feed

meet tony blair.ucks. >> i think that's a fabulous idea. >> i think it is , >> i think it is, >> i think it is, >> but you know, you know, whether we should intervene in countries is a big question in recent years. and it just struck me that, you know, there is a legacy there. there are people alive. there are families together. there is a safe, stable country because britain made a decision. and i think we should remember that. >> right. well, i might go on houday >> right. well, i might go on holiday to kosovo, but still ahead we will answer all of your questions and ask the vie. no topics are off soi so i wonder what have in store for welcome back to saturday five. as always, thanks for all of your emails and messages on tonight's topics. speaking of which, it's time for this . so speaking of which, it's time for this. so let's speaking of which, it's time for this . so let's see what you've this. so let's see what you've got for us this week. this is from kathleen. she says hi everyone. all i see

"and i remember tony blair's hand in that, peter mandelson's hand and the elite on the far right of the labor party uh, i wonder george, what do you think about the timing of all this? isn't it funny how we've just had a general election, parliament just goes into recess for a month and then suddenly starm has got this whole thing to himself, along with the army chiefs, the police chiefs, all of whom are actually appointed by the king, so is kind of tiny little elite that seems to be potentially pushing us" towards war, both on the home front, because the uh, it seems to me that much of this is playing out, the uh, the gaza, palestine war is playing out here with robinson and the edl, basically representing the israeli government. yeah, i mean, if they planned it, tony, it's a pretty bad plan, uh, if they really had the capability of planning, you wouldn't put kier starmer uh, into downing street, because he's not capable. of doing the job, he held a cobra meeting today uh three days after the rioting began, you would have thought that emergency response would have happened in the middl

and it felt then that tony blair could, could walk on water.just by batting them away with the size of, of his, of his win there in that 97 election. again, a very big majority for the labour party, 170 or so tory labour mps. and yet look at how the british pubuc yet look at how the british public appears to be falling out of love with with the winner of the election just six short weeks ago this week, this ipsos poll , august weeks ago this week, this ipsos poll, august the weeks ago this week, this ipsos poll , august the 9th, the 12th, poll, august the 9th, the 12th, it found that 52% of people felt the government is heading in the wrong direction. 22% think it's in the right direction, and 19% have no view. it may be no surprise because of course, the landslide win by the labour was was a very, very small one. given the fact that only 1 in 5 adults have voted for them , 1 in adults have voted for them, 1 in 3 of those who voted vote for ready for labour. and that's why it's difficult. even with keir starmer, he is down seven points on favor

it took tony blair nine more years to do that. and the lesson is don't overshoot. and that's what i would say for the middle east. don't try to go all the way to a two state solution. build confidence, build economic relationships, create an environ in which the israeli public has confidence that the palestinians, they will be peaceful. ambassador eizenstat, when you're negotiating a treaty, is the first rule. how does this the united states always but it's not a poker game and one of the things that i point out in my book is that diplomacy, to be successful, has to be a win win situation. you have to put yourself in your opponent's position. there, obviously representing a sovereign country, they have their own public opinion. they have their own political pressures. and you have to have what, by former boss? when i was deputy treasury secretary larry summers in the column, australian called a sympathetic empathy for the other side. you have to empathize with them if you don't agree with them. he called it a unsympathetic empathy and that is crucial. so, yes, it o

the, the labour government under tony blair shortly after 9/11 in 2003.duced an agreement, a treaty with the american government to accelerate extraditions, supposedly in both directions, and supposedly for terrorist offences, that was you know, perfectly commonsense thing to do. but what's happened in the subsequent 20 years or so has been that it's been used by the american justice department for all sorts of non—violent commercial offences , if you commercial offences, if you like. and, mike lynch , who died like. and, mike lynch, who died earlier this week in a tragic accident or meeting of the weekend. tragic accident, had been caught up in this. he'd sold his company autonomy to, to hewlett—packard for, i think, about 11 billion. i mean, it was sold on the stock exchange. it wasn't the sort of private deal. and, shortly afterwards, autonomy decided they didn't like the price they paid for it, and they accused him of fraud. it was a bogus accusation . and it was a bogus accusation. and but he spent the last ten years first trying to resist that accus

and under both tony blair and gordon brown's government former labour mp and michael brown a former toryand also a journalist. thank you both for joining and also a journalist. thank you both forjoining me. bill rammell does the labour government have any choice here apart from to release these prisoners early? >> er, bluntly, no, i mean we can have a debate about how much of the legacy that labour has inherited is the responsibility of the last government. but this is emphatically the tories problem . sunak was repeatedly problem. sunak was repeatedly told by his justice secretary, alex chalk, that he had a choice. he either overrode local objections and built more prison places, or he agreed to early release. he shamefully did neither and said let the labour party deal with it when they come to power. it's also the case that we had to tackle the riots by early trials and early sentencing. bluntly that was the only way we were going to stop the riots and we did it effectively. so we've had to agree to this . but there are agree to this. but there are safeguards in place that i think can

interests is defended by a group of lawyers, including the wife of former british prime minister tony blair. mikhail fridman stressed that even if the sanctions are lifted, he will not withdraw the lawsuit, since his reputation as a businessman has been significantly damaged. these were economic news. briefly. there is a boom in hotel construction in russia. this year, 3.0 new rooms will appear across the country, but for comparison, last year there were half as many. at the same time, more and more hotels are managed by large chain operators. more details, alena logvinova. this year developers will build 3,000 rooms across russia, which is twice as much as the year before, but there is an interesting trend: more and more new hotels are managed by large chain operators. 2,000 rooms will go to the azimut hotel group cosmotel. this is over 70%. last year, the figure was 44%. one of the cosmos group hotels opened in april in moscow. this is the fifth smart hotel in the company's portfolio and the seventh in the capital. in total , the network includes 35 hotels, which have about 10,000 rooms.

now, in 2008, tony blair, who was the prime minister, came and opened the debate that we have good islam and bad islam. we have to destroy islam and replace it with islam. we started at that time. we even complained to the united nations . the special rapporteur of the united nations came and prepared a report . she is asma jahangir, and in that report she said that what right did the sekiller government have to come and say? what religion is good, what religion should be given to the people who believe in it their religion should make this decision and cancel this program after. since he was prime minister, he started an association , the blair association, and started doing these activities there, and the government of saudi arabia gave them a budget of one million , and this is the same debate that good islam, bad islam, give you good islam, give you good islam. you don't believe at all. what do you want to see? if we don't stop these activities now, and i mean leave them alone, i will say clearly that there is no evidence that this is a misunderstanding. this issue has been planned f

interests are defended by a group of lawyers, including the wife of former british prime minister tony blairfridman stressed that even if the sanctions are lifted, he will not withdraw the lawsuit, as his reputation as a businessman has been significantly damaged. these were economic news, briefly. there is a boom in hotel construction in russia. this year, all over the country.

i mean, least with tony blair. up for tony blair here, but at least with tony blair, he had an overall policy for raising productivity. he had police , productivity. he had police, nhs, they were all given targets which they had to hit for more pay, which they had to hit for more pay, and they were , you know, pay, and they were, you know, they were quite upset. they really had to do it. but there's nothing like this now. i mean, it's just a free for all. you can go on claiming money to use anipad. can go on claiming money to use an ipad . no one's going to be an ipad. no one's going to be making you work harder or better for the public. so i don't think it's going to make any difference. >> and when matthew talks about do, do we want public sector workers not to be paid? of course we want them to be paid. no. you said you don't. no. you said that. the point being this though, you have to have some respect for the bill payer, which is everybody else, and everybody else also finds it equally hard to live. so the ide

and as i said, to use that old sort of tony blair sort of tony blair phrase, we've got to be we've gotright extremism and tough on the causes of far right extremism. >> we've heard for a while now from the police. they've been concerned about it for a while, haven't they, do you think laboun haven't they, do you think labour, get it, get the concern about migration on the streets, get the concern about the last government's policy of putting migrants in hotels. that was a flashpoint , and are they willing flashpoint, and are they willing to learn and to listen at some point right now, they're just trying to keep the streets safe. we get that? yeah. >> no, they they definitely get it. i mean, again, i was i was speaking to labour advisers today who, who were, who were making that point. and actually, if you see right from the beginning, i mean, even in the queen's speech, labour and keir starmer have put measures tackling immigration, particularly tackling illegal immigration, have put that at the heart of the queen's speech . the heart of the queen's speech. this is definitely somethin

tony blair once called him one of the four most important people in britain and an unofficial member of the uk cabinet. murdock owns a huge amount of media worldwide, including in this country, the uk. that includes the sun newspaper, the most well-read newspaper in the country, it includes the times, the sunday times, and across the world he owns huge brands like the wall street journal and fox news and most of the um, most of the sky brand as well, so whatever country you're in, especially if you're an anglphone country, you're probably exposed to lot of rupert murder propaganda, so who is this guy? he's an australian billionaire, but um, he's always used his newspapers and his tv channels to... to promote his hardcore conservative ideologies and one of those conservative ideologies is actually uh constant and unremitting support for the state of israel and whatever it does. murdok has been to israel many times, he has has developed personal friendships with multiple prime ministers, going back as far as ariel sharon in the 1980s, where he used to go to his farm and hang out with s

deals with with israel, so um mubadala is an interesting case because this is a company that pays tony blair almost a million um pounds if i remember correctly or dollars a year um just to be an advisor and there's really a pelethera of ways in which mubadala is deeply involved with israel's activities so it has an 11% stake in the tama um gas field, which of course at the beginning of the genocide in gaza was shut down for a certain period of time, costing israel massively, but what was not factored into the news coverage of that event was that it was also costing the uae massively because they are, as i said, an 11% shareholder, which is very, very significant amount. mubadala has also invested in the pitango venture partners uh... project which um is actually involved in the very widely used canva um for many websites around the world, even websites um critical of israel and this uh venture capital firm was the founder of canva, um how many of us are aware of that, how many of us know that, but this uh firm was of course um founded by the son of israeli former israeli president shimon per

if i'm not mistaken, tony blair made a speech about in the early 2000 saying this is outdated.for a time when very few people could move around the world. i mean, there weren't there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't, you know, mass migration. we're in a very different age now. why is the 51 convention still in place? well well, partly because it speaks to an idealism which i think is fair. >> i mean, if someone knocks on your door and says, i need help, your door and says, i need help, you don't say to them, no, because you pass by several doors before you got to me. you're obliged as a fellow human being to consider them because they are where they are. they're also very good reasons why some people might not choose to stay in one country, but move on to another. it might be safer. they might know people there. they might know people there. they might have profound cultural links to that place. but frankly, the i think one thing that's very interesting to watch is how tory leadership contenders answer these questions and what they say about abou

if i'm not mistaken, tony blair made a speech about in the early 2000 saying this is outdated.was for a time when very few people could move around the world. i mean, there weren't there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't the jet engine, there wasn't, you know, mass migration. we're in a very different age now. why is the 51 convention still in place? well well, partly because it speaks to an idealism which i think is fair. >> i mean, if someone knocks on your door and says, i need help, your door and says, i need help, you don't say to them, no, because you pass by several doors before you got to me. you're obliged as a fellow human being to consider them because they are where they are. they're also very good reasons why some people might not choose to stay in one country, but move on to another. it might be safer. they might know people there. they might know people there. they might have profound cultural links to that place. but frankly, the i think one thing that's very interesting to watch is how tory leadership contenders answer these questions and what they say about

and as i said, to use that old sort of tony blair sort of tony blair phrase, we've got to be we've gotright extremism and tough on the causes of far right extremism. >> we've heard for a while now from the police. they've been concerned about it for a while, haven't they, do you think laboun haven't they, do you think labour, get it, get the concern about migration on the streets, get the concern about the last government's policy of putting migrants in hotels. that was a flashpoint , and are they willing flashpoint, and are they willing to learn and to listen at some point right now, they're just trying to keep the streets safe. we get that? yeah. >> no, they they definitely get it. i mean, again, i was i was speaking to labour advisers today who, who were, who were making that point. and actually, if you see right from the beginning, i mean, even in the queen's speech, labour and keir starmer have put measures tackling immigration, particularly tackling illegal immigration, have put that at the heart of the queen's speech . the heart of the queen's speech. this is definitely somethin

tony blair once called him one of the four most important people in britain and an unofficial member of the uk cabinet. murdock owns a huge amount of media worldwide, including in this country, the uk, that includes the sun. newspaper, the most well-read newspaper in the country, it includes the times, the sunday times, and across the world he owns huge brands like the wall street journal and fox news and most of the um, most of the sky brand as well, so whatever country you're in, especially if you're an anglphone country, you're probably exposed to lot of rupert murad propaganda, so who is this guy? he's an australian billionaire, but um, he's always used his newspapers and his tv channels to promote his hardcore conservative ideologies and one of those conservative ideologies is actually uh constant and unremitting support for the state of israel and whatever it does. murdok has been to israel many times, he has has developed personal friendships with multiple prime ministers, going back as far as ariel sharon in the 1980s, where he used to go to his farm and hang out with sharon

but i the way that tony blair did. >> yeah. but i mean, the way that tony blair did. >> yeah .y didn't have to face the awfulness that was faced earlier, particularly by thatcher. she'd done the dirty work, hadn't she already ? work, hadn't she already? >> well, you could say that. yes, i mean, tony blair was a very clever operator and i think he was he was very wise to, to stay at some length, some distance from the unions . we distance from the unions. we shall see what happens with this lot. but they've not made a great start i think so. so the problem just to wrap up, len, what's, what's your prediction moving forward, do you think that the government can can still get a handle on this, or are we likely to see if not more strikes, at least the threat of more strikes in the coming months ? i think we are going to months? i think we are going to see the threat of more strikes right across the public sector. the railways or the train drivers are the vanguard of this. but i think there's plenty more to come. >> okay. len shackleton, really good to talk to you. thanks very much