china racked on tony blinken after he tried to play tough with the chinese after the communist regimeas planning on sending aid to russia. >> it was the u.s. that provided weapons to the battlefield, the u.s. is in no position to tell us what to do and we would never accept its finger pointing or coercion on china russian relations. we never accept any bossing around on china russian relations. joining us now is stephen miller and eldridge kolby former secretary of defense and author of strategy of denial >> let's start with you council on relation types like richard hoss saying something about china is inching us perhaps to a danger zone saying xi may decide he invested too much in putin to see him loose lose and also a long warm depletes u 16789 ron desantisness and xi may say there's no upside with restraint given the new ties and sanctions. thoughts on that. >> sure. first and foremost i think it is true we have become distracted in europe as you and i and others predicted a year ago and the president's trip to kiev shows his priorities. some say he's trying to prioritize china bu

i mean, getting all of these or almost all of them to talk and, you know, from tony blinken to to the cia director, bill burns, it was it was tough, but all the more satisfying in the end to have pulled it off. your mention of of bill burns, the cia director, brings a question to my mind. there's so much in the book that we can't have. don't have time to tell this evening. but there's one story i want you i want you to share, to tell our friends about his meeting with president zelensky before the invasion. yeah. if you don't find out. but i'll talk about a couple of meetings. okay. neither really reported before on the eve of the invasion. kamala harris went to the munich security conference sent by joe biden and their relationship is fascinating and complicated. but joe biden really has given her important national security responsibilities. this was one of them. she this was not reported at the time. but while she was there, she met privately with zelensky, who was at this point skeptical and and saying that he didn't think the invasion was really real, was happening. she met priva

for tony blinken to say, this isn't a good time to do toasts in beijing. i think it's a smart move to indicate our displeasure. final thought, we have to continue collecting on it before we shoot it down. eventually, i think we will have to shoot this down. i know the pentagon is working those options and will present them with the president. we will have to do that, i would guess, rather than let this thing drift in the skies over the united states. >> john, the decision to postpone this trip, as the admiral said, there's no way he could be in china and out of pocket in terms of visuals in the air for long stretches going to and from. but in china on the ground and doing anything diplomatic and visual while we potentially might have to shoot it down, might have to take action and while there's going to be a split screen with that balloon hovering, if it's up there. this is perhaps china seeing the moves in the philippines. general austin was there last week. of course, dial back to what we saw a couple of years ago with our decision on the submarine for a

for the first time, we will see secretary of state tony blinken on camera. you're looking at it live on the left side of your screen there. potentially reacting to that suspected chinese spy balloon, flying over u.s. airspace. also this hour, you've got president biden in philadelphia after a better than expected jobs report. we're juggling all of it live here in the next 60 minutes on msnbc. i'm hallie jackson in washington. i want to bring in one of our chief white house correspondents, foreign correspondent janis mackey frayer is live in beijing, and gary locke, former u.s. ambassador to china. let's take a beat. lay out what we know so far about this chinese apparent supply balloon mystery situation. we are about to hear from the secretary of state for the first time on camera since he postponed his trip to beijing earlier today. the pentagon says they are still tracking this balloon. they also say it is not a threat right now to national security. china has acknowledged the balloon is theirs. they are saying this thing accidentally got off course. they'

they don't take tony blinkene bi seriously. tony blinken look at us spendin all of this treasure, all of this resources, all of our prestige over the borders of ukraine. and they think the they have a e us made. they have us in a corner and they are going to forge anr alliance with russia that's going to make the united states unabltates unable te to s power across the world. >> well, elbridge, it is quitell something, is it not, that we hear joe hear joe biden talk about bt how how they're people in ameri who still support lynching and we're systemically racist,iy and yet we try to have this try moral imperative in dealingna ad with with china. and every time they use everye a version of that against us . so we're self-loathing in a way . and then we go saying we wkno we have the we're on a morale i. i just high horse on the internationalr stage. i just don't think that ultimately worksks i don. no, i don't think.w it and they can smell and you saw meet it at the anchorage meeting atfh the beginning of the administration where

tony blinken wasn't pull back until friday when biden and the administration knew on saturday but oh, once the american people knew, i'm not going to have antony blinken go over there. we just called your blood. china says it was meteorological surveillance. the u.s. was good but that peer there is no problem. just checking climate stuff. so, the white house says, they didn't get much of anything. how the hell did you know that? and what are they doing above the intercontinental ballistic sites? i understand from military people they can actually see the lay of the underground and those missile flights. and here is another one for you for those why the balloons? the balloons fly above the aircraft 60, 80, a thousand feet above ground. what does that tell you? that level of height doesn't permit the shooting of it down. in other words an f-22 cannot take down one of these. it's not a balloon from a birthday party but a spy craft. an f-22 cannot take it down if it is 60, 80, or 100,000 feet up. so what we have got is the hovering over intercontinental ballistic sites and biden says the

there are other reasons to talk to them that we need to -- i would like tony blinken to confront theissues in person. draw lines and get agreements, get some kind of rules of the road set up. what have we gained by not talking to them? >> well it is to postpone it. it still might happen, though. >> well i hope it does and i hope it happens quickly. there are a lot of urgent issues that the united states needs to deal with china on. as i said, we're in a new world. we're in a world where we have a great power that is not dependent on the u.s. for security like japan or germany. powerful country and economically a competitor. we need to find a way to have an adult relationship with china. >> so, earlier today on "state of the union", marco rubio said this brazen balloon incident was part of china's goal of showing that it is a major power. listen to his point of view. >> i think the broader relationship between the u.s. and china to anyone who has any doubts about it, now the bottom line is here and that is we are now -- china has been for sometime and will be the primary strategic adv

the chinese got away with it and the only consequence is that tony blinken instead of meeting with his foreign counterpart in china in beijing, he met with wang in berlin or munich, germany. so what was the consequence to the chinese? any wonder that they can get away with supplying lethal weapons for the russians? so general kellogg was right. we have to win this thing in ukraine. it's in america's interest to win it. china and russia are unlimited partners. if we can use the ukrainians to degrade the russian army and show we can win one of these wars, that will deter xi jinping. it has serious implications and what happens in taiwan. >> martha: seems that we were eager for this meeting with the chinese. as you say, it happened at the munich conference. and then over the weekend on the sunday shows, tony blinken was asked, did you get an apology for this not major breach of security over our country. here's what happened. watch his response here. >> i guess what i'm more concerned about is what did he say to you, number 1, did it begin with an apology for the balloon. >> chuck, i don'

secretary of state tony blinken has canceled a plan trip to china

secretary of state tony blinken has canceled a plan trip to china

. >> how important is it for tony blinken to meet, talk to him here tomorrow when they'll both be here president xi and get this back on track. >> what really worried me is when the balloon incident was going on, lloyd austin, the secretary of defense tried to call his number in china, they wouldn't answer the phone. >> that's really concerning because you need those military to military contacts. >> and you've got to be able to deescalate if it's an accident or not intentional because one person's deterrence can be viewed as the other person's provocation, so i find that very disturbing and i hope that tony blinken can meet here and the president can get back on track, but this business of not answering the phone and not allowing these kinds of lower level contacts to deescalate tension is very dangerous. >> china has so many different platforms that they're spying on us and invading our privacy. what about tiktok, you have coauthored a bill with marco rubio from the intelligence committee to ban tiktok. >> the way i think of it is we had all this to do about this balloon, how about 6

of course, you heard from secretary of state tony blinken. with that, as i mentioned, earlier, japanese defense minister saying, based on calculations, the entire u.s. could be within range of this latest missile test for north korea. talk more, if you will, courtney, about the reaction we're hearing from leaders at that conference beyond, of course, the united states. >> so, it's been widespread condemnation. the reason there is that estimate it could reach somewhere in the neighborhood of 14,000 kilometers as because when they fire off a missile, testing this was likely, and icbm tests. they will also -- often fire it up high in the sky, and it comes back down. it is an analysis that how long could it have actually flown, if it went in a different trajectory? also, they factor in the factor of the warhead, how much could it way? when you factor all that in, the fact it could have flown 14,000 kilometers, as the japanese defense ministry said, is quite alarming for an icbm launch. as -- a, say it's a couple of hours since this happened, i sa

i met with tony blinken in munich just a few days ago. i also met with my friends and german counterparts and a number of other foreign ministers from both europe and further afield. i completely understand why russia would try and seek an enhanced relationship with china but the point i made to the charges authority to wang yi who i met with is i cannot see how it can be in china's interest to import the level of criticism and international condemnation that would inevitably come with any supplying of military equipment to russia. i can see what russia needs from china. i cannot understand what china might realistically want or need from russia so i hope that all countries uphold their obligation to the u.n. charter and continue in this condemnation of russia's illegal invasion of ukraine and do the right thing to maintain peace and security across the whole globe, not just in europe. >> on the issue of peace, a top u.s. state department official said today that they expect china to unveil a ukraine peace proposal tomorrow. do you see ch

we saw the chinese by building that everybody got concerned about its led to a diplomatic riff tony blinkencancel or postpone the trip to china and as you say bipartisan the few issues where there seems to be bipartisan agreement, do you expect anything else here as a result of this by loon incident you expect anymore diplomatic moves or are they going to be passes and get in relation with china back on track. >> the u.s. china relations is one thing and i think we will see a freeze in that for a while because the u.s. can't make the first move towards the chinese after being offended again so badly but domestically i don't even think democrats even biden's closest allies are prepared to let this go they want answers from the biden administration as to why it took so long to down the chinese spy balloon and lime onto lawmakers haven't lined up, i think you are going to seek congressional scrutiny as well. gerry: walt disney is slashing jobs getting criticized over the woke programming and losing the fight against governor ron desantis. we will talk about that next ♪ whenever heartburn strik

and stoltenberg who you saw with tony blinken after they were briefed at a lunch today, nato also knowsthat europe is being targeted by these balloons. we don't know the relative sophistication of the balloons, but what blinken also said that was so significant is that we have gathered intelligence from the debris, by the hour, as you pointed out in the lead-in. and as well, we are gaining intelligence from what the u2 planes, he didn't say that, i'm saying that, the way we are gathering intelligence on this balloon as it traversed the united states, that is part of their argument, and to tee up ryan, my colleague there, this is what they're going to tell the hill today, tomorrow rather, and they have had a binder available to the senators on this. they're going to tell the hill they gathered information on the balloon as it went across the country. we are getting more on them and had mitigated against them getting anything more on us, and having it shot down over the ocean we could get this debris, and we're getting more from the debris, and that debris was being analyzed by fbi expert

ambassador, earlier this week secretary of state tony blinken said he expected the chinese might soon provide military aid, greater military aid, to russia. what do you expect that to be? what weapons would make a difference in that conflict coming from china? amb. bolton: well, i think we should not assume that china has not already been providing weapons directly or indirectly helping north korea, for example, ship weapons and munitions to russia and helping iran ship drones. finding weapons in third world countries that, perhaps, russia had sold to them originally, that the chinese can help transport back. providing intelligence to russia, that sort of thing. this is, though, in the administration now, it is knowledge is this. it demonstrates that china has a real stake here in how this turns out. i think, so far, china has been the big winner of the russia ukraine war. i think it is launching very carefully -- watching very carefully what we do, what the nato alliance does, and, making appropriate judgments about what potential chinese military activity, whether against taiwan or

still to come, it day 2 of tony blinken's visit to the middle east.will get more on his meeting with palestinian leader mahmoud abbas. >> this is the moment that millions in iran have been waiting for. after his long years in exile, the first hesitant steps of ayatollah khamenei on iranian soil. >> south africa's white government has offered its black opponents concessions unparalleled in the history of apartheid, and anc leader nelson mandela is to be set free unconditionally. >> 3, 2 -- >> countdown to a critical moment. the world's most powerful rocket ignited all 27 of its engines at once. and apart from its power, it is this recycling of the rocket, ashing the cost of the launch, that makes this a breakthrough in t business of space travel. >> 2 americans have become the first humans to walk in space without any lifeline to their spaceship. one of them called it a piece of cake. >> thousands of people have given them a spectacular homecoming after she smashed the world record for selling solo around the world nonstop-- sailing solo arnd the world

biden's going to be in poland bolster thing for ukraine, kamala harris and tony blinken at the big munichurity conference this weekend. i think many of us continue to believe that it's right to support ukraine, but this is a long war that we're looking at. the u.s. has already spent tens of billions of dollars, probably running to hundreds of billions of dollars. is it possible we've got our strategic possibilities wrong? >> oh, i think without a doubt china is the far larger, more important threat to the country. and i also think as we head towards 2024, i think that the amount of money we're spending in ukraine is going to become a very hot political issue. one last thing about decoupling from china, the united states will never decouple from china while you have questions about the biden family's personal business relationships with china, all those questions -- gerry: do you think these congressional committees are going to get to the bottom of it? >> i don't know if they'll get to the bottom of it, but i think they're going to the expose a lot of stuff that would drum any normal poli

years, sentenced him to death on charges they have little to no evidence, and i had been urging tony blinkenhen going to beijing to raise mark swidan's case and raise the case for mark to be released. china, if they want to demonstrate they're not bad actors and they want to demonstrate that they can aspire to being a great nation, they should release smashing swidan because great nations and powers don't hold political prisoners. >> and he is wrongfully detained according to the state department. raised to xi jinping in november, and there hasn't been aha i want to ask you about your role, you are the top republican on the senate commerce committee. you're also a dad. i know you know how hard it is to keep kids off-line in this app called tiktok. it's been downloaded 200 million times. you think it's espionage. are we at the point where we're past a ban, where this is just so embedded that you can't get rid of it? >> yeah. look, tiktok is incredibly concerning. you're right with our kids, if you have teenagers, if you have kids in junior high or high school they're all using it and the degr

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secretary of state tony blinken has said china is, quote, strongly considering providing lethal aid, as well. blinken met face-to-face with his chinese counterpart over the weekend in munich. the two officials spoke for just over an hour, where the state department says blinken warned of the, quote, implications and consequences if china does provide that support to russia. saturday's meeting was also the first between the two sides since the u.s. shot down a suspected chinese spy balloon off the coast of south carolina earlier this month. according to the state department, blinken told his counterpart on saturday the u.s., quote, will not stand for any violation of our sovereignty. china, for its part, continues to deny that the balloon was sent for surveillance purposes. during saturday's meeting, the state department said china made unfounded accusations against the united states. a lot going on in the chinese and u.s. relationship. joining us from beijing is foreign correspondent janis mackey frayer. good morning. thank you for joining us. look, it is clear there had been a coordi

. >> reporter: that chinese spy balloon blowing up secretary of state tony blinken's high-stakes trip to china. >> in light of china's unacceptable action, i'm postponing my planned travel this weekend to china >> reporter: blinken would have been the first secretary of state to visit china in six years, now calling it off, even though he was expected to meet with china's president xi jinping to smooth relations at a time of historic tensions the two superpowers at odds over china's support for vladimir putin in ukraine, threats against taiwan, north korea's nuclear program, trade and china spying on the u.s. >> we have to send a very clear signal to china that this is unacceptable. >> reporter: experts say it's no coincidence china launched its spy balloon the same week the u.s. announced new military bases in the philippines 100 miles from taiwan to deter an invasion. what are the other consequences that china should have to take for these actions? what are the opportunity costs of not meeting with the chinese and with the chinese president? >> i can only imagine what the reaction w

.- only consequence was tony blinken met with his counterpart in munich w instead ofou beijing, not much would be an appropriate response if ambassador o'brien were advising the president or a president himself what it was appropriate response for what china did? >> we have to continue with sanctions and measures that we've taken against the chinese. response would be freedom of navigation and operations in east china sea a and south china sea and haver destroysers and cruisers drive by their hand ml co man-made islands they have inbut the. we need tob to fly a flballoon over china, do you think they would let our balloon linger and collect intelligent for a week, they would shoot that down right away, we have to show theto chinese we're tougher and better than they think we are, they must have such a low opinion of us now, doing this thing like this, the ford battery plant, let ford and tax taxpayers of michigan. we're letting them buybu farmland. how about we rolfarml back the farm land purchases and ban tiktok, that is like a hundred million balloons in everyone's phone in theirti hom

right before this major diplomatic meeting where tony blinken, our secretary of state is supposed toeet xi jinping, china picks a freakin balloon to fly over? not their version of an sr-71? no, a bo , a balloon we can all. something doesn't make sense. what particular capability is china demonstrating if this is some kind of message? we can fly balloons. look at us. we figured out helium. what particular capability are they demonstrating? am i missing a portion of this story? let me get to the third part because maybe it will make sense and why i had to questions. i'm hearing a lot of commend terry commender -- i am hearingt of commentary on this. why would china sacrifice the meeting with blinken with a balloon. here is a likely answer. china has been playing us for chumps for decades, folks. i opened up this segment, they have been flipping us the double barreled middle finger for a long time. they have the confucius understand stiewlts in our universities, stealing our intellectual properties. they lock out foreigners from their own markets. they have spy operations. they even set

secretary of state tony blinken said this after meeting with chinese counterpart this as ukraine expectsffensive on the one year anniversary of the war. steve harrigan live from kyiv, hello, steve. steve: mike, the church bells were rings behind me. across ukraine , many people could and were able to freely move about head to church said and many are praying for peace. >> now everybody cares only about one thing, peace for ukraine. and, of course, we wish peace for our families, for our loved ones to be healthy, they are the main things we pray for. steve: those prayers yet unanswered in eastern ukraine where deadly artillery battle continues up and down the line of control. russia is attempting to advance throwing everything at it but so far their progress is just incremental. they are managing to turn much of those towns and villages into a waste land. in the meantime secretary of state antony blinken is warning that china should not provide lethal aid to russia. >> one of the things that i shared with him was a growing concern on our part that china is considering providing lethal sup

tony blinken's consequence was meeting with mr. wang yi in munich rather than in beijing. the chinese aren't too intimidated by us, i don't think. i don't think they think very much of us. i wouldn't be surprised if they start giving weapons to russia to fight ukraine. that'll be very unfortunate for the ukrainian people, for us and it makes the world a more dangerous place. >> laura: on russia, pryce was asked about a possible off-ramp for putin. >> the off-ramp is very clear, jake, president putin started this war a year ago. he could end this war today or tomorrow. our strategy has been proven effective. there have been naysayers all along saying we're not doing enough or doing too much. in every step of the way, this coalition, it has stuck together. not only has it stuck together but it's actually strengthened. >> laura: your reaction, robert. the strategy has been effective a year later. >> well, the strategy should have been to deter the invasion. we didn't do that on the heels of afghanistan and other demonstrations of weakness killing our keystone pipeline, along

tony blinken, the u.s.eign minister, was very clear that he believed china would potentially support russia. we will have to see whether that pans out, and what the west's response will be. manus: the other piece that oliver covered for us was the suspension, not withdrawal, from the nuclear pact. significant? georgina: again, it's a signal. but oliver is right, this is not mean they will now just ignore the treaty and do things differently. but it is certainly -- putin has been saying since the start of the war that we are a nuclear weapons state. but again, we need to caution that and really see what will happen over the next couple of months. manus: georgina, thank you very much, it really looks like we are in for some sort of long-haul. the senior fellow and director of the european program at institut montaigne. rio tinto slashes the divvy, after profits fall more than expected. we have the details right here on bloomberg. ♪ marthat actively cools, warms, and effortlessly responds to both of you. our s

postponed a scheduled visit to china by secretary of state tony blinken. china is upset because the u.s. shot down a spy balloon, our next guest is no stranger to china, chinese president xi jinping allegedly tried to get him fired, mike pompeo, author of a very successful book. "never give an inch: fighting for the america i love." a weather balloon off course is what china said. what do you make of the spying their excuse, our reaction. >> thank you. no weather balloon, properly a spy balloon that was a trial balloon to figure out how u.s. would respond. i'm glad they shot it down. it was probably handful of days too late. they probably got all collection they needed for the first few days. this is part of a bigger challenge. with taiwan. tiktok espionage in our country of day. you remember during our administration, i directed and president ordered the closure of chinese consulate in houston, texas, largest. weakness of america is inviting more aggression. trey: for those who were never the director of cia. i think these are our questions, when would u.

turning now to my interview tony blinken. ecretary blinken saturday evening directly after his meeting with china's top diplomat and i asked him about the growing tensions between the two countries. >> i know you just got out of a meeting with your counterpart wang lee of china. i read the readout. we have stated what you said to him. what i am more concerned with, what did he say to you? number one, did it begin with an apology for the balloon? >> chuck, i don't want to characterize what he said. i don't think that would be appropriate, although, i can tell you, no, there was no apology. but what i can also tell you is this was an opportunity to speak very clearly and very directly about the fact that china sent a surveillance balloon over our territory, violating our sovereignty and violating international law and i told him that that was unacceptable and can never happen again. we are not the only one on the receiving end of the surveillance balloons. more than 40 countries have had these balloons fly over them in cent year

flying over the country and parts of canada for more than a week prompting secretary of state tony blinken to postpone a planned trip to beijing. welcome to fox news live, i'm miken manuel. the balloon was shot by f-22 fighter jet and raising questions about u.s.-china relations. we have fox team coverage with alexandria hoff, charles watson in surf side beach, south carolina and lucas tomlinson on the north lawn of the white house. lucas, let's start off with you. good afternoon. lucas: the u.s. navy dispatched 3 warships and salvage team to combwaters, records spread 7 miles and 47 feet of water. tom cotton say it is chinese spy balloon was a trial balloon for president biden. >> the president was paralyzed the entire week by a balloon. we should have shot the balloon down over the illusion islands. we should never have allowed to transit the entire continental united states. that incident had not been previously reported until today the pentagon 3 other chinese balloons crossed into the u.s. during former president something former trump aide denied. here is john ratcliffe. >> that's no

. >> you said initially that you thought that tony blinken should not have canceled his trip.o you think he should go as soon as possible. >> yes. when i look at differences between united states and china over taiwan, that has more potential to bring anything to blows where there is growing support for russia and also military support. so i think we have really pressing reasons to get the secretary of state over there. i don't think it is necessarily going to cause -- create miracle but i don't see how we're served without a relationship. and china got over aggressive, even brazen. i think this is not a bad moment. >> one part of the biden administration strategy toward china which is a continuation of the trump administration, is this very tough economic competition. but it is competition not in a -- there are two ways, one you try to run faster, but the others you try to trip the other guy and there is a lot of us trying to trip the other guy, restraints on technology and restraints on exports. do you think that europe broadly speaking is on board with this strategy, that t