paul as did tony byrd, after : seven years behind the starbucks counter in the ibm lobby.did it occur to you that you could actually work at ibm? >> that's when my friend dave comes in. >> it happened one day when he asked me how do i go upstairs , and do what you are doing? i'm like, well, you just got to learn how to talk to computers, and he asked me, can you teach me how to do that? i said, what are you doing during lunch. paul: green tutored, byrd learned the basics of coding. on his second try, he passed the apprenticeship test. are you sorry you didn't go to college? >> no, not now. paul: and so a final question for philosopher and longtime professor martha nussbaum. do you think every young person in america should go to college? >> yes. well, everyone who wants to. going to college has three purposes -- one is to prepare you for a job. second is to prepare you for a life full of richness and meaning. the third is to prepare you to be a good citizen. paul: as she argues in her book, not for profit, without good citizens, democracy dies. but she adds -- >> the first