before the announcement he sent tony fauci to africa. he came back -- again, this is before the state of the union -- and basically said, mr. president, this can be done. the naysayers out there, including the leaders in africa, are wrong. it is caused by a virus. if we mobilize american industry, if we make it a public/private partnership, if we put -- at that time it was about $15 billion over five years into i can promise you based on science -- he didn't say promise -- i can pledge to you based on science that we can diminish the cost and reduce the burden on this disease and cut it in half. it came back to science. so plowed straight ahead. but remember you had recipient countries that said, america, the west, stay out of our business, it's not caused by a virus and anti-retro virals don't work. we relied on science and our industry and creativity and drove straight through it. >> i was just going to say just to complete that thought i would say it's the results. he became convinced once he saw the results and the results were happe