i am science, declares tony fauci. so clearly something deep inside tony fauci has changed. men now believes he is a deity. watch him sweat aside criticism from a sitting u.s. senator who has been democratically elected by millions of people by invoking january 6th. watch this. >> senator cruz told the attorney general you should be prosecuted. >> yes. [laughs] i have to laugh at that. i should be prosecuted? what happened on january 6, senator. >> tucker: wait a second. this is the man in charge of our covid response. what does january 6th have to do with covid, u.s.? simple, anyone who questions tony fauci is by definition a dangerous insurrectionist. dr. fauci is not the only one who believes that. a few weeks ago, francis collins suggested that any american who doubts government covid policy is a criminal. he announced he would like to "identify those who are purposefully spreading false information online about covid and bring them to justice. public health officials didn't used to talk like this but they won't concern themselves with public health. this is how they tal

fauci was a leftist. that's who he is. biden may not be sentient enough to know this but tony "the covid tiger" has a trap. should've replaced fauci, declare victory and said basically this whole thing of america, the show that we do, the american show must go on. have we gone that route, biden, more people would have probably gotten vaccinated as well. the question remains, will biden given to this truly demonic impulse to restrict the movement of the unvaccinated through the united states? well, their favorite experts have been pushing this now for some time. >> what we need to do is have a way that we can make certain when people get on a plane that causes a border, they are not infected when they get on. they should be vaccinated fully. should be tested. then when they arrived, there's a way to test them again and to follow with them. this is something we desperately need. i think that will replace the travel ban in short order. >> laura: think about that. think about where that's going to take us. anything that man says, we should do the opposite. here's the bottom line. biden could do the right thing

tony fauci needs a booster. vid articles we've already tried and we know don't work? the party panel is back. stephen, jessica and india. i don't trust anthony fauci anymore and haven't for a long time. the more i read, the less i like him. why does he still have a job? >> he's in with the right people, he's in with the club. if you are not in that club, fauci was just out of party not wearing a mask, i think people have had enough of this. i'm not a fan of the prosecutorial tone senators take with him but people in the media don't question him, they are only people who do question him, you get what he's saying, i represent science and he's talking about it like he is an attorney. i guess if you want to mumble brag about that when you're client killed 11 million people worldwide and your fingerprints might be on that, it's kind of a problem, a little humility from him i think is what's needed and the only reason lockdowns aren't on the table for the biden administration is because they know it's the end of his pr

>> just another example of the incompetence of the biden administration, tony fauci remains a credible impartial messenger about the coronavirus would use i went out and became an open partisan attacking is sitting united states senator, democratically elected by the people as i the other 99 senators as nothing but a bureaucrat works for those people who democratically elected all 100 senators, attacking a not partisan way. this is not tony fauci changing or turning over a new leaf, this is who he has been from the beginning and it is a simple fact he testified to congress that he did not fund through his agency gain of function research in the wuhan lapse making the coronavirus is there more dangerous and more transmissible yet his agency send acknowledgments that they did fund that kind of gain of function research. fauci should be investigated for lying to congress. >> doesn't he seemed more angry at people like you and senator cruise than he is at china. he's far angrier at republicans. i think he thinks you guys are a far bigger threat to world health then president xi and the sci

tony fauci lied to congress and he should be investigated.hich almost certainly was the origin of this virus. he said it repeatedly to congress. his agency just admitted a few weeks ago that yes, they did, in fact, fund gain of function research, so there's a lie there it's either tony fauci lying to congress or his agency after months of stonewalling, writing a letter to congress and admitting it. i suspect it's tony fauci lying on the spot in his testimony to congress. he put the american people at risk by funding this dangerous research, which was happening under the obama administration, which he thought he knew better than the people's elected representatives. it's just another example of how these bureaucrats think that they are the science, that they represent the epitome of knowledge and those politicians, like the president of the united states, and the united states senators and representatives, have no business telling them what to do. that's not the way our democracy functions. brian: and senator think about this. the ego involved

tony fauci as a politician, no one trusts him now.e one who lied to us about gain of function research. they have politicized a virus, politicized covid 19 and this is not good for the american people. they don't know who to trust anymore. we shouldn't be putting our trust in science, on politicians. it should be with your doctors, pharmacists and healthcare professionals. not with the government. lisa biden says we should not panic. to the actions of us white house signify a group of leaders that is not panicking? >> certainly they look like they are panicking to me and are using this as leverage to get people to take the vaccine. i'm an advocate for the vaccine. i went through clinical trials, i got my booster, i to set a good example and i believe it is safe and effective. however it should not be mandated. i was in the office in the district yesterday, had four phone calls from certain groups that were concerned about having to take the vaccine. they don't want to. i was at a function sitting next to an ent, ear, nose and throat p

he says every time birx you open your mouth , i have spent half my day answering questions about tony fauciand fauci is here we are . he was obsessed with this guy wouldn't go away and he couldn't fire . i think they're kind of like we're things that they continue throughout the year was something that drove the president crazy where right before the election the president promised to fire him and he became so obsessed to try to overturn the results he never got around to . >> i guess one question is you guys in your book recap this epic fight between the cec and office of management and budget where the office is trying to wait and see the guidelines and can give a specific instance where they're trying to define what social distancing means for restaurants these in this example the cdc ends up keeping to this political pressure and growing up in the area , i assume most people i've always understood the cdc to be an apolitical agency really is this our from being an apolitical agency so i'm curious how does the cdc come back from something like this ? institutionally, with their relations

she publicly praisedub the president and at the 15 day so the spread park was winding down, she tony fauci marched into a meeting saturday night in the yellow oval room which i have never heard of before but it's at the white house in the president was completely on the ropes, one of his best friends was in a, with the coronavirus andat the president could seek e hospital in queens, people playing gurneys in the hallways, he knew the virus was bad because it was all over new york and she brilliantly said the president, that's going to be every hospital in the united states if you reopen it was a genius things to say to him he said okay will extend it for 30 days. in that moment, she played her role perfectly but that only lasted a moment and then pretty soon as soon as the aides got her away from him, he was itching to reopen again and then we saw a slow reputation instruction of doctor birx which ended the picture in late july and august, she was treated differently than tony fauci, he was a bobble head. >> on 14th street. >> exactly. signs on people yards and the house speaker went after

but if they get up and really aim their bullets at tony fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there, so it's easy to criticize. but they're really criticizing science because i represent science. >> reporter: kentucky senator rand paul slamming fauci's claim in a tweet, saying the hubriso someone retch senting science is alarming -- representing science is alarming that a public bureaucrat would claim such a thing, especially someone that ignores the science of natural immunity. todd, carley. carley: marianne rafferty live for us in los angeles. thank you. all eyes on the senate as the chamber gets set to address the tax and spending he spree. todd: as congress runs out of time to avoid a shutdown with a friday deadline to raise the debt ceiling. alexandria huff joins us with more. >> reporter: ideally senate democrats would like to see the bill wrapped up by christmas, likely changes will be made before being sent back to the house for review. here's minnesota senator amy klobuchar. >> are you confident it will get done before christmas? >> i am. if the republicans wan

but if they get up and aim their bullets at tony fauci, they can recognize there is a person there soo criticize, but they are criticizing science. i represent science. >> shannon: what do you make of them because basically what it says it sounds like to me if you're criticizing him, that's not allowed because what you're doing is he's equating himself to speaking on behalf of science. >> that's an extremely difficult job, shannon, and the messaging, the misinformation about false messaging and misinformation about, you know, one issue is that science we all try to be humble. i will say that unfortunately, the monolithic way in which dr. fauci has approached this whole pandemic is a problem. i think the administration needs to pull in additional voices, voices that bring in a diversity of opinions. if i can tell you from the beginning, one of the big mistakes the administration has made has been to exclude the development of generic appeasement's fork covid-19. probably the most effective generic we have currently with development in the u.k. this is a dramatic failure on the part of

let me start with tony fauci, a close friend. i have known him for 30 years. this is a sincere, decent, honest, hard-working, super intelligent, honest person. he did not deceive the american people. from what he understood, there was no gain of function research in the wuhan to due to virology -- institute of virology funded by nih. in terms of we the people, the declaration of independence does say that. our constitution -- the federal government has no authority to mandate a vaccine. it is basically at a city and state level. president biden's orders are based upon the federal workforce and contractors. and the occupational health & safety act. all of these things were actually part of the democratic process. nobody is suggesting an autocratic or extralegal form of vaccination mandate. mandates have to be lawful and thus far the courts have upheld them almost uniformly. host: about 10 minutes left with professor lawrence gostin this morning. dr. anthony fauci will be on capitol hill this week testifying before the senate health committee. that we are airing

tony fauci is not above reproach. he should be held accountable for the things he does and says. ted cruz and rand paul are doing. they're making him the avatar of all of your grievances because nothing matters and they don't have to prove it. so tony fauci is getting on television and says that's crazy and look in the mirror, senator cruz. you need more of that. >> you have to play offense with facts. the demonization of anthony fauci has been about they frequenting away from donald trump's horrific mismanagement of covid from the beginning. you see people fund-raising off demonizing anthony fauci and conspiracy theories emergemergi. you need to make sure you are not respond with add homonym attacks but things that are rooted in fact. you need to take the additional leap, look, we are going to call this stuff out, talk to you like adults, use statistics and science, realizing that some folks may be deep in the grip of this disinformation industrial complex. but we're not going to let that tail wag the dog in the national conversation right now. and we can have real criticisms th

but if they get up and really aim their bullets at tony fauci, people could recognize.'s a person there. so it's easy to criticize. but they're really criticizing science, because i represent science. that's dangerous. to me, that's more dangerous than the slings and the arrows that get thrown at me. and if you damage science, you are doing something very detrimental to society, long after i leave. >> brennan: is there a playbook that you are handing over to the next person right behind you at the n.i.h., when that retirement day does come? >> yeah, the playbook for them is to do what i'm doing now-- focus on what your goal is. and your goal is to end an outbreak by what you have at your disposal. and what we have at our disposal is science. if you get caught up in this nonsense of politicization, you're not going to be able to do your job as well. >> brennan: in this playbook you're handing off to your future successor, do you say the next pandemic comes at us faster? >> you know, i think we likely will, though you can't predict, you know... i've been through multiple,

tony fauci, president biden's chief medical advisor and director of the institute of allergy and infectious diseases and senator first. our moderated discussion with dr. leana wen, former baltimore city commissioner of health. and dr. jerome adams, executive director of equity initiatives at perdue university and former u.s. surgeon general. following that moderated discussion, we'll make sure to get to questions from all of you. so please feel free to enter your questions into the chat or engage with us on twitter, #bpclive. and b.p.c. underscore bipartisan. i'll send it over to senator bill frist who will get it started. senator frist: thank you for that introduction. i'm excited to be sitting down today with my long time friend, dr. fauci. it's good to be with you once again. dr. fauci: thank you for having me. senator frist: what is your overall impression how we are doing as a country with respect to covid-19? dr. fauci: we're doing well, bill, but it's a little bit of a mixed bag. let me explain. we went through a significant surge which has come back down, and the deflection of the c

. >> and has anybody asked tony fauci you know would just be good to drop in there the concern about menstruation and the fear of ruining your boot -- fertility to get the shot. this is not part of a longer conversation. it seems trivial compared to a stroke or a heart attack which is clearly not likely but it's not taken seriously as a health concern. menstruation is not taken seriously. there is no movement to see menstruation as a vital sign so they check your blood treasure and ask you by your energy level and they'll ask you about what about your periods and how's it going for you and how old were you when he got your period and are even paying? that's not generally part of an intake. it is a vital sign for people who meant straight and changes in it can mark other things and menstrual pain can be misunderstood and terrible consequences in some cases especially for people of color and there are still people in the medical world who believe that black people don't suffer pain as much as white people. there was a study done in medical school where 20% of medical students actually

anthony fauci. tony, it is great to be with you once again. dr. fauci: thank you for having me. senator frist: what is your overall impression how we are doing as a country with respect to covid-19? dr. fauci: we're doing well, bill, but it's a little bit of a mixed bag. let me explain. we went through a significant surge, which has come back down and the deflection of the curve looked good. the surge was related to the appearance of a delta variant, which is a very formidable virus in that it transmits very, very efficiently. the vaccination program has worked quite well in many respects. so we have been able to turn that around. the only thing that the little bit disconcerting is that we are beginning to plateau. in other words, the deceleration of cases is now plateaued and in some areas of the country, we are starting to see a bit of an uptick. with regard to vaccinations, although we have done well in many respects, we have 85% of our elderly individuals fully vaccinated and 98% with at least one dose. we have 75% to 80% of adults have received at least one dose, but we sti

but if they get up and really aimed they are bullets at tony fauci, people can recognize there is a personre so it's easy to criticize, but they are really criticizing science because i represent science. that is dangerous. >> dana: jesse? >> jesse: science created the virus. it was created in a lab. you can't criticize the science that created this deadly pandemic? isn't that the scientific method, by the way, to challenge the science? if we didn't constantly challenge the science, we would still carry things with leeches, we would have leeches on geraldo if he was near covid or something like that. this is crazy. you have one right there. and it is interesting because i do think and it's hard for me to say biden did the right thing. but you hear about the mutation, slap a travel ban and assess where the orderly assessment looks like it's not that malicious. that is according to goldman sachs and two people i trust much more knelt and dr. anthony fauci. it looks like the vaccines will be effective against this new mutation. can you imagine pfizer coming out and saying, you know what, the

tony fauci, president biden's chief medical advisor, and director of the national institute for allergy and infectious diseases, and snore bill frist, former senate majority leader and bpc senior fellow. after that pre-recorded conversation i will moderate a discussion with dr. leana wen, visiting professor at george washington university and former baltimore city commissioner of health, and doctor jerome adams, executive director of equity initiatives at purdue university, and former u.s. surgeon general. following that moderated discussion we will make sure to get to some questions from all of you, so please feel free to enter your question into the chat or engage with us on twitter, #bpclive, and handle bpc underscore bipartisan. without further ado and with that introduction i will now turn over to snore bill frist whost would get the program started. thank you. >> thank you for that introduction into the bpc for its important efforts. i'm excited to be sitting down today with my longtime friend and colleague dr. anthony fauci. tony, it's great to be with you once again. >> thank yo

but if they it up and aim their bullet set tony fauci -- it's an easy to criticize. they are really criticizing science. because i represent science. that's dangerous. >> sean: okay, mr. sainz. ted cruz along with rand paul calling on dr. fauci to be investigated over his ties to the wuhan institute of neurology. senator cruz joins us now with more. senator, you laid out the perfect positive that he is lying. he knew that the nih contributed money to it. and he lied. tell us the chronology. >> i've got to say, dr. fauci, i think, is the most dangerous bureaucrat in the history of the country. he talked about hurting signs but i don't think anyone has hurt science or hurt the credibility of doctors more than dr. fauci because throughout this pandemic, he has been dishonest, he's been political, he's been partisan. and the american people know it. why is it that the biden administration decreed that masks have to be worn in schools by kids? because teachers unions bosses wanted it. that's not a scientific reason, that is a data reason. and this weekend he did this long

. >> really aimed bullet that tony fauci, criticizing science because i represents science. >> what a government bureaucrat has the audacity, the arrogance to say they represent all of science conjures up images of the medieval church. science has nothing to do with having obedience to any government dogma. >> paul and fauci often clash on questions about government overreach on lockdowns, masking and vaccines and i think the whole i represents science income he was going to get negative reaction from conservatives on that one of the criticism is valid when you think about when you go to the doctor and find out something is wrong with you usually you seek a second opinion. no one person represents all of science and senator paul is a medical professional himself and they clash at the senate hearings because of gain of function research, senator paul said fauci is lying about taxpayer money going to fund this and all the while senator -- doctor fauci has become this godlike figure too many people on the left. >> you know it is an outlandish statement when you go the entire day saying i

and then one out of south america the lambda and the point is there was enough cross over what tony faucil over from our existing vaccine to partially neul neutralize it t so my hope is that that is the case with our current vaccine especially for individuals who got three mrna vaccines, three rna doses where there is a 30 to 40 full rise in neutralizing antibodies so i am hopeful there will be at least partial protection and we will know that over the next week or so. our lab is looking at our vaccine against the omicron variant, moderna s doing the same, pfizer, jafter j and so we will know that hopefully over the next week. the best thing people can do right now is to use all the vaccines that are available. so if thrie doses, if you can, of mrna vaccinate your kids and if you have been infected and recovered and get vaccinated on top of that, that is the best, gives you the best pobility of helping you weather these new variants. >> do you think before i let you go, do you think like scientists slash whoever was-- do you think they made it taye mistake by calling it a vaccine, do you

but if they get up and aim their bullets that tony fauci, people can recognize there's a person there's easy to criticize but there criticizing science because i represent science. steve: have you ever heard anything so narcissistic and delusional. dangerously wrong. the idea that one man and his opinion is science is literally the opposite of science. dr. fauci is antiscience, he's been antiscience from the very beginning, real science would boost covid response on the facts about this disease. the fact that it has a vastly different risk profile depending on age and health conditions. this is why scott atlas new book is an incredibly important historical document the everyone should read, it lays out exactly how the term presidency was hijacked by an antiscience cabal who imposed accrual and totally counterproductive here the absolutely was worse than the disease, just as we warned here on the show in march 2020. now we see the new scary aunt, they have learned nothing, nothing from the catastrophic and willful failure, restrictions, lockdowns, blanket rules moving the goalpost firs

but if they get up and really aim their bullets at tony fauci, well, people could recognize there ise really criticizing science because i represent science. that's dangerous. >> bret: brit, what do you make of that. >> it reminds me of that same must lay that's me statement went down in history. that's a very grandiose statement on his part and one he would have been well-advised not to make. if people want to consider him the voice of science, they are free do so. when the guy starts claiming that mantel himself and starts announcing it on television i think people will be rightly skeptical. look, he has made a number of miscalculations along the way here in the early going he said the risk was low. then he said the masks were not needed. then he said the masks were needed and the list goes on and on. he represents science, the science has been all over the place on this and so has he. so, i think he was ill advised to make that comment and i think people will recognize that. >> bret: jonathan, i want to call an audible here. you have had a string of great interviews lately. most r

but if they get up and really aim their bullets at tony fauci, people could recognize there's a person there. so it's easy to criticize. but they're really criticizing science because i represent science. >> reporter: kentucky senator rand paul slamming fauci's claim in a tweet saying quote, the hubris of someone claiming they represent science it's alarming that a public health bureaucrat would think to claim such a thing, especially one who worked so hard to ignore the science of natural immunity. and the president is set to update the american people on the white house plan to combat omicron in the u.s., just before noon today. todd, carley. carley: marianne rafferty live for us. thank you. important update there. todd: the senate back in session today, as the chamber gets ready to take up could joe biden's social spending bill. carley: congress is running out of time to avoid a shutdown. alexandria huff joins us live from washington with more on this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carley, todd. senate democrats would like to see the president's massive spending plan wrap

but if they get up and really aim their bullets at tony fauci, well, people could recognize there is a person there. so it's easy to criticize. but they are really criticizing science. because i represent science. >> he represents science. i had a feeling he might be talking about you, senator. >> you know when a government bureaucrat has the audacity the arrogance to say they represent all of science, we should be running the other way. it conjures up images of the medieval churn you know in their repression of science. science has nothing to do with having obedience to any kind of government dogma. you have to realize that most of what fauci talks about isn't science. he isn't talking about a study on this or a study on that. is he talking about wear a mask. when you talk about peer reviewed study of masks one done in denmark showed it didn't work. look at all of sweden 1.8 million children have not been wearing masks for the last two years zero covid tests havee the teachers been infentanyled. turned out the teachers are infected the same rate as the rest of the public. no masks f

antibodies will make it more likely that you'll get cross-protection to the omicron variant or what tony fauci calls spillover protection so either way nothing changes in terms of your strategy to protect you and your family. get that third immunization if you're eligible meaning you're an adult over the age of 18, and i also support giving that third immunization for the 12 to 17-year-olds. >> is there a threshold in which you would know whether or not the current vaccines are effective against this variant? >> well, we're going get think think in the next week and a half, to the next two weeks so our vaccine group, the way you do that is you take either experimental animals or individuals who have been vaccinated with your vaccine and you measure virus neutralizing antibodies against the original lineage because that's how the vaccines were made and you compare it to the neutralizing agents against the omicron variant and almost certainly you'll see a decrease. we've seen that before with the beta variant that came out of south africa, and the lamda variant. it will still cross-protect and m

i want to underline something you said earlier when you were talking to tony fauci which i think is really important, parents are living in a lot of fear now about the pandemic and the fear is their kids are going to lose years in school. my kids have lost valuable time in high school. and, yeah, i'm frustrated with the schools they go to. my kids go to private school, not public school. but i'm frustrated with teachers unions and i think a lot of parents are. you voiced that. look, we can't make this mistake if something like this happens again. we're talking about kids in a mental health effects of that, which have not been properly really studied yet and realized on a societal level. voters were speaking to that anxiety. they're not waking up every morning obsessing about donald trump everywhere. >> parent/teacher conference season too. i will tell you, right. if your kid is behind in reading, this is around the time you're finding that out. >> it is that, but it is, david, when you talked about the mental health aspect of this, that is probably something that parents who might have vot

>> well, let's focus on the good part of this, as you just said in that clip from my friend tony faucinow, everybody over 18 is eligible to get a booster. if it's been six months since you got pfizer or moderna or two months since j&j. a lot of it, jim, was based upon gathering additional data. but back in august, a bunch of us, myself included, but also the heads of the cdc and the fda and the surgeon general, said it looks like boosters are going to be needed probably for everybody but let's look closely at the data. the data came forward, and in september booster is authorized for people 65 and over. by october it was basically also moderna and not just pfizer. and now here we are covering the bases for everybody over 18. what happened in those two or three months is additional strong data, both from our country and other countries, showing that there is a waning effect of the vaccines, especially in the face of this delta variant and the best way for people to be really protected is to get boosted. so people listening tonight, if that's not something you have done yet and you're in

you have joe biden when said he would never take a trump vaccine and now he's being advised by tony fauci who should be fire or at least give it up. >> so variants are spreading, inflation is high and president biden is on the road. he's in minnesota selling the infrastructure package that passed a few weeks ago. he wants eyeballs on the one big legislative win that they had and not on this, neil. >> neil: thank you, peter doocy at the white house. we don't know a lot about omicron but we know it could be a startling development. these are like 50 variants tucked in to one. it became a big issue discussed on capitol hill because nobody knows how this plays out, including two big money people in this country, the chairman of the federal reserve and the treasury secretary. the read on how that went down with hillary vaughn on capitol hill. hi, hillary. >> hi, neil. the line that inflation is temporary, it's transitory is getting thrown out with the trash today. jerome powell admitted to lawmakers calling inflation transitory is not the best way to described the crazy high prices that americ

. >> tony fauci morphed into a shorter version of mussolini. >> those keeping score at home, that's twoday. people keep coming up to laura logan and compare fauci to mangala, maybe it says something about the company she's keeping. of course, that's kind of the point. hating dr. fauci has become an industry on the far right. it began in the early months of covid when polls showed fauci was more trusted than trump. this was an unforgivable sin and resulted in repeated attacks on the doctor by the donald. became a right-wing signifier with gop fundraiser off anti-fauci swag, like governor desantis pushing, don't fauci my florida t-shirts, as his state closed in on record covid rates this summer. according to data from bully pulpit interactive, cited by "politico," conservatives spent $300,000 on facebook ads targeting fauci in the month of may alone. the threats became more personal and conspiratorial. you don't have to think dr. fauci has gotten everything right in hind sight to see thes are desperate deflections. it is possible to investigate the wuhan lab theory without blaming the pan

that will protect you now, and as tony fauci said, they anticipate that our current vaccines will at least be partially effective, very effective, kind of effective, but nonetheless partially effective against omicron so don't wait for a new vaccines to be developed until 2022. get vaccinated now. >> let me jump in on that point. i want to puppet as i do this is the map of transmission in the united states right now. if you're red that means you have high community transmission. the southern part of the country where it's warmer is benefiting from both. to bring up your point about vaccines, ten states, you live in one of them, where less than half of the population has been fully vaccinated. when will we know? dr. fauci says he believes the current vaccines will at least protect you against serious disease from the new variant. when will we know for sure? how long does that scientific testing process take? >> well, first of all, the scientists are working on this at the nih around the world in the companies themselves, so we will get progressive information over the next two or thre

are you investigating tony fauci for lying to congress? >> there's a long-time rule in the justice department not to discuss pending investigations, potential investigation. >> that's fine. do you believe tony fauci was truthful when he said his industry had never funded research? let's turn to your outrageous memo. did you consult with senior leadership at the fbi? >> did anyone express any doubts or hesitation to issue that memo? >> no one expressed that to me, no. >> no one? >> no. >> a lot of fbi officials have contacted my office and said that they oppose this decision. >> i doubt any of them spoke to me about it. because i didn't speak to anyone. >> all right. judge, you repeatedly dissembled this morning about the directive. for example, the national security division. they asked why you would stick on pairing. cornyn asked you the same thing. you said it was in another memorandum. it was in a press release from your office. right here in front of me, for immediate release. what on earth is the national security division have to do

are you investigating tony fauci for lying to office? >> it's a long time rule in the justice department not to discuss pending investigations, potential investigations. >> okay, that's fine. do you believe tony fauci was truthful when he said his agency had never funded gain of -- >> that's outside of my scope of knowledge. >> let's turn to your outrageous directive sicking the feds on parents across schools of america. when you crafted that october 4th memo did you consult the senior leadership at the fbi? >> my understanding was the memo or the idea of the memo had been discussed with the fbi. >> did anyone at the fbi discuss any doubt or disagreement or hesitation with your decision to issue that memo? >> no one expressed that to me. >> no one. >> no one expressed that to me, no. i'm sorry? >> a lot of fbi officials have contacted my office and said they opposed this decision. >> i doubt any of them spoke to me about it because i didn't peek to anyone. >> all right, judge, you repeatedly dissembled this morning about that directive.

. >> judge garland, on may 11th, tony fauci said that his agency does not and never has funded research gain a function research at the wuhan institute of overall virology. -- are you investigating tony fauci? >> there is a rule in the justice department not to discuss potential investigations, pending investigations -- >> that's fine. do you believe tony fauci was truthful when he said his agency had never funded gain of function research? >> my scope is -- >> let's turn to your outrageous directive, seeking the feds on school boards across america. when you craft or the memo did you consult with senior leadership at the fbi? >> i -- discussed with the fbi. >> did anyone express any doubts or hesitation with the decision to issue that memo? >> no one express that to me, no. >> no one? >> no. ? >> a lot of fbi officials have contacted my office, judge. >> i'm sorry? >> to say that they oppose this decision. >> i doubt any of them spoke to me about it. i didn't speak to anyone. >> all right, judge. he repeatedly -- this morning about that directive. for instance, the national security di

and, you know, the scientific world has become politicized thanks mostly in part to the work of tony faucihe it gives the nih and grant writing that it has become politicized and one of the things that we need to keep in mind here and i'm a pharmacist and i can tell you, we were taught that it's important that you ask the right questions and we weren't asking the right questions here. we are asking if you're vaccinated when you should be asking, do you have immunity. that's the key here. the immunity is much more effective than what you can get through the vaccine. the vaccine is important and i encourage everyone to get it and i'm getting criticism all of the time and how can you be provaccine and antimandate, i simply feel that the vaccine is a decision that should be made between you and your doctor, between you and your pharmacist and not between you and your government. maria: of course, yes, congressman, but this administration will not acknowledge natural immunity from the actual infection even though we have report after report telling us that you get more immunity if you've had co

that's one of the many reasons i despise tony fauci, his funding of research where they killed beaglesuci is a bad person, he's not about gain of function research, he has known where the money has gone, everyone involved, his institute, francis collins is culpable. they know what this is going to lead to. science invite critique, invites criticism. you cannot publish a scientific paper unless it has been peer-reviewed. that means you invite people who are competing with you to criticize your work, that is the basis of science. he is so far out of his depth here. >> new york city is keeping kids as young as 5 years old with money to give them the vaccination, with your 5 or 105 you will get 100 bucks when vaccinated for covid 19 at a city run site, get a little extra holiday cash and stay healthy all season long. is that bribery? helicopter kennedy. >> parents should hold out for $1,000 because it is the holiday season. happy hanukkah to our friends were celebrating, hold out for $1,000. show them your on the fence and go from place to place to place getting jab after jab. imagine how

let me start with tony fauci, a close friend. i have known him for 30 years.cere, decent, honest, hard-working, super intelligent, honest person. he did not deceive the american people. from what he understood, there was no gain of function research in the wuhan to due to virology -- institute of virology funded by nih. in terms of we the people, the declaration of independence does say that. our constitution -- the federal government has no authority to mandate a vaccine. it is basically at a city and state level. president biden's orders are based upon the federal workforce and contractors. and the occupational health & safety act. all of these things were actually part of the democratic process. nobody is suggesting an autocratic or extralegal form of vaccination mandate. mandates have to be lawful and thus far the courts have upheld them almost uniformly. host: about 10 minutes left with professor lawrence gostin this morning. dr. anthony fauci will be on capitol hill this week testifying before the senate health committee. that we are airing on c-span3 at

but if they get up and really aim their bullets at tony fauci, well, people can recognize there's a personne ignoring science is dr. fauci. senator rand paul has sparred quite often with mr. science. senator, first off, that's like if people criticize me saying you just don't like talk show hosts or you just don't like senators if they don't like you what kind of ego is this? >> if you attack him or have any debate over any his edicts or mandate, you're attacking science. this is a very, very dangerous sort of idea, the idea that a government because of accurate represents science and that he is now untouchable. it is sort of like you are now contradicting the all high priest of science if you say anything. but there are the real questions, and there's real areas of science that he's never really debated because he deflects. one area is over 100 million americans have had covid. they have natural immunity. there's a real question about whether they should be vaccinated once, twice or not at all. and the thing is there's never been any debate because he's all powerful scientist, you're not

prevent you from getting the delta variant or going to the hospital, but there's likely, as tony said, dr. fauci said, you're going to get a spillover against the omicron variant. i think that was a major message. the second component is vaccinating the kids. the third component, which he didn't say but was implied. if you've been infected and recovered, you're still susceptible to reinfection, so you need to get immunized. you need to get vaccinated on top of that, and that will actually -- there are studies to show will build in greater resilience against variants, not only delta but like lie omicron as well. get vaccinated. we're not doing well. you've only got 59% of the country fully vaccinated, meaning two doses. i think only a fraction of that has three doses. we still have widespread vaccine defiance. 41% of the country has gotten no vaccines. so we are still -- i mean, right now the biggest worry in the united states is this next delta wave that's coming over the winter, and remember what happened in our delta wave over the summer, since june 1, chris, we've lost -- i calculate 150,000

tony. here is a sense of how quickly things escalated. this morning, dr. anthony faucithat they were rushing scientific data to determine whether the u.s. should implement that new travel ban. by this afternoon, the white house announced it will go into place on monday. president biden said he made that decision after meeting with his covid response team for about half an hour this morning. he said much is still unknown about this new variant, except that it is of great concern and seems to spread rapidly. the president said global vaccinations are necessary to end the pandemic, calling it a patriotic responsibility to get one. >> reporter: president biden also urged other countries to waive intellectual protections for the covid vaccine so their formulas can be shared and they can be manufactured everywhere. he said today's news reiterates the importance of moving quickly. tony. >> dokoupil: yeah, some things are more important than money. weijia, thank you very much. speaking of money, tonight the pandemic does not seem to be slowing down black friday shoppers who are

toni psinteneig anksving travelers hit the roads, airports, and railways at pre-pandemic levels. but rain and snow threaten to make the trip back home treacherous. the new forecast just coming in. plus, dr. fauci on what you need to know to stay healthy and safe. >> you get vaccinated, and you get boosted. >> brennan: tragedy at sea: dozens of migrants are killed when their boat capsizes in the english channel. we'll have the latest. in a first-of-its-kind mission, nasa launches a spacecraft directly towards an asteroid, hoping to change its course. n.f.l. players step up: how pro football athletes from wisconsin are helping the families of the deadly christmas parade tragedy. and hoe for the holidays: how a program at one animal shelter is giving pets a second chance at a forever home. >> this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell, reporting from the nation's capital. >> brennan: good evening, and thank you for joining us. i'm margaret brennan in for norah. three white men were found guilty of murder for chasing down and fatally shooting a 25-year-old black man named ahmaud arbery in february 2020. those men may now spend the rest of their lives in prison. the triggerman, travis mcmi