tony fauci did his best to try to protect the american people. priate and using personal e-mail? i held him as accountable. tony was clear, he's never used personal -- dr. fauci has never used his personal e-mail. i talked to him at the very beginnings of covid, i talked to him throughout. he told me from the beginning could have come from the lab, could have been animal to animal. we don't have the information. but i think a lot of yesterday was just a lot of let's see what we can do to embarrass him and harm him. maria: we also have this whole montage of times that he said that the idea that it came from a lab is a conspiracy. he said this repeatedly over the years and congresswoman, don't you think it leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth to know that actually fauci and dr. collins were getting royalties from the vaccine makers? shouldn't they have disclosed, hey, we're being paid from these vaccine makers, we're getting royalties from vaccine makers as we tell you to take these vaccines. right? >> well, one of -- i mean, we asked yesterday

. >> i don't think that tony fauci made missteps. i think this pandemic scared a lot of people. donald trump was president. we didn't have a lot of facts, we didn't have a lot of scientific evidence, and people were learning and trying to save lives. >> tempers flared between the two parties. when congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of georgia refused to call fauci "doctor," certainly some sparks flying in that hearing, sandra. >> sandra: mike emanuel with the highlights from that room. thank you. john? >> john: let's bring in dr. david asher. he led the state department covid origins investigation under the trump administration. doctor, it's good to be with you again. i want to play a little bit more of dr. fauci at this hearing addressing a number of issues, including that quick reversal from a couple scientists, at least on the origins of covid, in that paper from early 2020. listen here. >> the accusation being circulated that i influenced these scientists who changed their minds by bribing them with millions of dollars in grant money is absolutely false, and simply prepost

different games, we play two completely different games with them, but this is a direct threat, even tony faucicted by a secret service, he walks his dog in washington and i know about this because i used to walk a dog there myself, and there are three guys guarding him, but they want to take that away from your father, yeah, well, at least look at what they did to the supreme court judges , you think they could do the same thing they did with temjal, and this week, we will force him to resign because his wife hung out. got what they wanted from this lie, that's right, they got what they wanted, because no one was punished, they will do it again, again the next 6 months, i said that the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is 6 months, and now it’s 6 minutes, but because of these 6 minutes they get what they need, use it in their manipulations, and i don’t see that it stopped, i see that more and more people understand this, 6 months became 6 minutes, because people no longer blindly believe in... checks for millions of dollars, because those people who carefully watched everyth

games, we are playing two completely different games with them, but this is a direct threat, even tony faucicted by the secret service, he is walking his dog in washington, and i know about this because i myself i used to walk my dog ​​there, and three guys are guarding him, but they want to take it away from your father, yeah, well, just look at what they did to the supreme court judges, don't you think? could they do the same thing they did to that jelly this week, we'll force him to resign because his wife hung the flag upside down, she shouldn't even have an opinion on what they tried to do to clarence thomas, how they did to gorsuch and others, this is crazy, if they picketed in front of rude beidersburg's house the same way they did at amikomi barrett's house, then it would have been a problem, then there would have been protesters ended up in prison, but when the judge is a conservative, well, let him suffer a little, we will try, and it does. if you are still repeating this lie, then you are already lying to yourself, you are just a liar, but it doesn’t matter if they admit it later,

different games, we play two completely different ones with them and this is a direct threat, even tony faucithe secret service, he walks his dog in washington and i know about this because i used to walk my dog ​​there myself, and he's guarded by three guys, but they want to take it away from your father , yes, well, at least look at what they did with the judges of the supreme court, it has an effect, because then, when you see some of them, they turn out to be weaker than their principles, yes, if i had not been so zealous then, now i would it's not like this when these bigot democrats come to your at home, as it was with me, people are afraid of this, of course, and we see it everywhere, for example, hunter biden’s laptop is a disinformation from the russians, here are the signatures of 52 intelligence officers, it’s probably true, but after 4 years, no, this his laptop, and no responsibility, yes, but we... already admitted it, but at that moment you got the effect you wanted, no one was punished for this, this is also interference in the elections. how many were there? 17% of people sai

this is the e-mail we uncovered to peter and it says there are things i cannot say except tony, tony faucilearned their ongoing efforts with nih to steer through this with minimal damage to you, peter and colleagues of the nih. i have a reason to believe there are already efforts going on to protect you. protective from what is a question i would ask was right that's another e-mail which dr. fauci's senior adviser and sent to boston university and set i learn from our foia lady how to make e-mails disappear after i'm floyd but before the search starts so i think we are all safe. plus i deleted most of those earlier e-mails after senate than to gmail comment to my private account, say from what? there are countless e-mails there's efforts to covid stuff up from nih after this happened to prevent poison and destroy information. dr. fauci was in a leadership role they're all these people work for him so we want to know what was going on? why were they trying to cover this up? what is happening here? those of the questions i have for dr. fauci. bill: went to hammer down the trying to evade the

alternative treatment, harm done to kids, one would think that tony fauci would show a little humili humility, even a little bit. no. if he had rathers, he would still have rolling lockdowns. >> one thing that was a problem with the response was degree of divisive ness about a lack of co coherent response having people for reasons that had nothing to do with public health or science refusing to adhere to public health measures. >> laura: they wanted to survive. perhaps best comment on fauci reesh reemergence from clifton duncan. your business went under while fauci went to ball games, fauci did photo shoots and hobnobbed with celebs. people got divorced and severed relationships and lost decade long careers, people overdosed and killed themselves, lost out on prom and graduation and lost loved ones that could have been saved. people are injured by a shot they didn't want because we chose to trust the science that being anthony fauci according to anthony fauci. we can never and i mean never let happen to this country again what happened under him. we're going to be paying for the fauc

tony. finally we have a first amendment. ever heard of it? but even today, you sense that fauci wishes there was more, not less censorship. >> there is so much misand disinformation around that we have got to do a better job of reaching out and trying to get the correct information. but that's difficult when you have a very energetic group of people continually spreading misand disinformation. >> laura: inconvenient first amendment. after all that we have learned about the virus, the true legality, the alternative and expensive treatment. the harm done to kids. one would think that tony fauci would show a little bit of humility if had his growers he would industrial a lockdown. >> one of the things a response with the degree of divisiveness that we had in the country about a lack of a coherent response where we were having people for reasons that had nothing to do with public health or science refusing to adhere to public health interveterans measures. >> laura: they didn't listen to tony they wanted to actually survive. best comment on the fauci reemergence was clifton duncan o

you. >>> you are now a medical school professor trying to i hope encourage the next generation of tony faucisse i'm surrounded by bright inquisitive and very interesting young students. i'm usually surrounded by doctors and post docs and scientists. and these are young people in the very beginning of their careers. in education or law. it's a wonderful experience. >> would you do it again? after everything you have been through? the agony, the frustration, the vicious personal attacks? if you knew all that, would you do it again? >> in a heartbeat. without hesitating for a moment. >> i want to read something president obama said to you. he said i love you my friend. i said, it's the other way around. i love you, my friend, i said. love you back, man, he replied. and then gave me some parting advice. don't let the s weigh you down tony. that sounds like the right kind of advice for the job you have had. as you go forward, what are your hopes for the rest of the work you will continue to do? >> well i hope to inspire young individuals at georgetown and elsewhere because i will be traveling and

. >> tony fauci is being grilled on capitol hill, it wasn't only him and all that stuff, you know howse. >> honestly i don't think so, everybody is second-guessing, people were dying left and right and i remember driving down the west side in seeing the tractor-trailers with bodies in them and the morgues were full, it's easy to use later to say we did the wrong thing, when we were dying is the right thing, i lost some people that died, not many fortunately, two out of 5000. neil: you forget the time and the environment that this was going on. from any emotional event, any death, easy to second-guess found s dr. fauci but what are e going to do he was in the war at the time. congratulations again. were getting friends left and right with how wealthy you are. , think tank one of the best of the best on this industry and remembers his roots, as does my buddy robert gray, hurricane season is on right now, everything that i hear you're in key west florida, it could be a doozy and for a lot of new folks who settle their, this is a big wake-up call, big time, over 1200 people a day are movi

tony fauci took it over and then they sidelined red field. >> well, is he speaking about his opinion i said today. we don't know about whether or not anything was generated in the lab. i tell you what i took away from the hearings today, john. was, one, the emotional response from dr. fauci. i was struck by the idea that he said no, he and his family are still victimized by constant threats. he was choking up and getting emotional about it. and to me, you know, this is, again, a function of our polarized and i think often distonguesal politics. clearly he was dealing with a situation the country was going into a pandemic. people want to blame him and make this a partisan issue. but, you remember, the president was a republican. donald trump. he was fauci's boss. so, to me cdc recommended the 6-foot distancing issue. the next time the local health officials have to have a better relationship with the federal health officials in terms of getting information so there can be a more coordinated response. but, to me, the big thing was saying what are you talking about with regard to people

. >> reporter: growing up here on 13th avenue in diker heights, brooklyn in the 1940 ands '50s tony faucioc. the pharmacist back then served as the neighborhood psychiatrist, marriage counselor. so it was serving the community. >> reporter: though the fauci pharmacy is long gone, beneath the calm facade dr. anthony fauci has shown the world for more than 50 years he is still, as he says, brooklyn tough. >> you got into fights? >> yeah. how could you not? >> how'd you do? >> well, i'm not the biggest guy in the world. so -- >> but at 5'7" you were the captain of the basketball team. >> at 5'7" i was the captain of the basketball team. >> how did you do that? >> i was really fast and i had a great shot. >> what killed your nba career? >> i found out that a very fast good-shooting point guard who's 5'7" will always get destroyed by a point guard who's 6'3". that became very clear. >> so you had to settle for medicine. >> so i said let me just settle for science. whatever. >> reporter: there are millions today who owe their lives to the work of the man who settled for science. and as he chron

lead completely normal lives with undetectable virus loads is a, is entirely due to the work that tony fauci and the lead pi created at nih. >> the work that they achieved now i would say that he should get the presidential medal of freedom, but he's already gotten in a very deserved way, the presidential medical medal of freedom and he's he's basically become the scapegoat and it's really it's really disturbing. >> dr. jonathan reiner. >> thanks for being with us coming up next something a little lighter feels like we all need about now an adorable little boy stole the show on capitol hill what i look for in a contractor is someone who is reliable and skillful. that's where angie comes in with top rated certified pros and over 500 category is sandi can connect you with the right pro for any home project it's fine. top rated certified pros in your area at angie.com a heart attack. >> do they have life insurance? >> no. >> but we have life insurance john, i'm trying to find something we can afford fortunately, it only a few minutes. >> select pope found john of $500,000 policy for only $29 a

tony fauci for an update on where we stand and recommendations and guidance. it is a name that is almost synonymous with the covid-19 pandemic for better or worse but this wasn't the first time he had to face down a global pandemic with regard to drug development. >> the steps are simple although the goal is an ominous goal. >> i sat down with dr. anthony fauci to talk about his new memoir on call, a doctor's journey in public service, where he writes about a life and a legacy that is span seven presidents and more than 50 years illegitimate nom carborundum, right? >> then, which means don't let the best way here down, which is actually goes lately that is a very relevant and appropriate saying. >> when you say this phrase to yourself are you, are you able to not let these guys get you down? >> you know, the answer is, they don't get they don't get me down to the point of interfering with what my work is, but it does wear and tear on you. i mean, knowing that there are people who are just hell bent on trying to discredit you and they have no evidence about any

lead completely normal lives with undetectable virus loads is a, is entirely due to the work that tony fauci the lead pi created at nih. >> the work that they achieved now i would say that he should get the presidential medal of freedom, but he's already gotten in a very deserved way, the presidential medical medal of freedom and he's he's basically become the scapegoat. >> and it's really it's really disturbing. dr. jonathan reiner. thanks for being with us coming up next something a little lighter feels like we all need about now an adorable little boy stole the show on capitol hill tradition bike riders i like you guys here in a nice how many is doublets did u1 serve the full moon he keeps rides he's going to die one way or another an account like orders where your door only beaters june 21, right now, pet dander skin cells in dirt are settling deep into your carpet fibers. stanley steamer removes the dirt you see in the dirt, you don't your corporates aren't clean until there's stanley's steamer clean his name have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping same discover the power

next e-mail from you it said i suggested arthur try to interview tony, m tony fauci directly connectednnel. he e-mailed tony a few hours ago. next e-mail you. i forgot to clarify in my e-mail yesterday both my gmail and phone calls are now safe, text as not it can be avoided. as can mark government e-mail. so you and peter and others should be able to e-mail me on gmail only with the caveat no other government employee is copied at a government address all government e-mails are potential foia. next e-mail from you this is sent from a gmail account please send all repli here to gmail. there are things i cannot say except tony is aware i have learned their ongoing efforts within nih to steer through this minimal damage to you and id. nextte gmail account is where i sent this from myself or my nih account. please try to sent only to my gmail we are doing a couple weeks ago but i messed up a few times and sent them from my nih account because on my phone that you are merged. and then you respond by hitting reply echoes to nih. after some recent issues i am going to try to strictly use onl

lead completely normal lives with undetectable virus loads is a, is entirely due to the work that tony fauci and the lead pi created at nih the works that they achieved now i would say that he should get the presidential medal of freedom, but he's already gotten in a very deserved way. the presidential medical medal of freedom and he's he's basically become the scapegoat and it's really it's really disturbing. >> dr. jonathan reiner. >> thanks for being with us coming up next something a little lighter feels like we all need about now an adorable little boy stole the show on capitol hill tradition your calling some people find there's at an early age. others later in life are. calling was to build trucks. and that's why trucks are what we do we put our everything and every truck so that when you find your call one, nothing can stop you from entering right now, during the ram memorial day sales event, get $1,000 cash allowance on the purchase of most 2020 five ram 1,500 trucks. >> hurry to your local ram dealer today the bike riders, there weren't a lot of clubs back then johnny's might have

tony fauci for an update on where we stand and recommendations and guidance. it is a name that is almost synonymous with the covid-19 pandemic for better or worse but this wasn't the first time he had to face down a global pandemic with regard to drug development. the steps are simple although the goal is an ominous goal. >> i sat down with dr. anthony fauci to talk about his new memoir on call, a doctor's journey in public service, where he writes about a life and a legacy that is span seven presidents and more than 50 years. illegitimate nom >> the answer is, they don't get, they don't get me down to the point of interfering with what my work is, but it does wear and tear on you. i mean, knowing that there are people who are just hell bent on trying to discredit you and they have no evidence of at anything. and all you've done all your life, your professional life for me, 54 years and almost 40 years as director, have done nothing but try to save lives his journey to save lives started when he attended medical school at cornell, then made the pivotal decisio

tony fauci was the precocious son of the corner pharmacist. >> they called him doc.ld more than 50 years, he is still, as he says, brooklyn tough. you got into fights? >> yeah. every now and then. how can you not? >> reporter: how did you do? >> i am not the biggest guy in the world. >> reporter: at 5'7" you were the captain of the basketball team. how did our do that? >> i was fast and i had a good shot. >> reporter: what killed your nba career? >> i found out a very fast good shooting point guard who is 5'7" will always get destroyed by a point guard who is 6'3". that became very clear. >> reporter: you had to settle for medicine? >>> let me just settile for science. whatever. >> reporter: there are millions today who oh their lives to the work of the man who settled for science. and as he chronicles in his new memoir "on call," dr. fauci's career treating infectious disease at the national institutes of health has been book-ended by the two great pandemics of our time. aids and covid-19. >> federal health officials consider it an epidemic, yet you rarely hear abou

as we journey from south dakota, wyoming and we've shifted tony fauci joining are crazy caravan things really not every step of the way this is gonna be a culinary adventure. are you guys all? eric and road trip friday at nine on food network tomorrow's presidential debate will be the first of its kind here in georgia from 1984 to 2019, the peach state has hosted for party primary debates, including one that had joe biden on the stage the 1992 vice presidential debate also took place here but until now, until tomorrow, there has never been a general election presidential debate in atlanta. >> all of that is going to change, of course, during the debate right here on cnn, historic tech would campus or ted turner launched the world's first 24 hour tv news network back in 1980. there is so much rich history here with a lot more to be written. and of course, what a special moment just to be here to

anthony fauci, he is the country's topest expert in infectious diseases. >> tony, your reputation is . >> fauci's public comments and advice dating back several months to undermain his credibility. >> in that same call the doctor attached dr. anthony fauci, called him a dis aster. >> i have to say you are a spry 83 years old, have you thought about running for president? >> no. >> those are just some of the diverging views of dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious disease from 84 to 2022 working across seven different president sees, every single one since ronald reagan. he helped lead the country's response to aids, sars and ebola and the pandemic. he has a new book "on call: a doctor's journey in public service." welcome. >> thank you very much, ari. >> good to see you in-person. >> same here. we did that remote thing because of the pandemic. >> many times. >> everyone has heard so much from you in the government and leadership context. why did you want to now reflect on all of that in the book? >> well, i've reached a certain stage when just

fauci, referred to here as tony, used private emails to skirt disclosure laws. >> he wrote in april 2021, i forgot to say, there is no worry about foia. i can send stuff to tony or hand it to him at work or at his house. he is too smart to let colleagues send him stuff that could cause trouble." william: dr. fauci said he did not know why he wrote that, and said he never discussed covid policy using his private email. at other times, dr. fauci faced criticism for promoting various public health measures. republican brad wenstrup of ohio is chairman of the committee. rep. wenstrup: dr. fauci, you oversaw one of the most invasive regimes of domestic policy the u.s. has ever seen, including mask mandates, school closures, coerced vaccinations, social distancing of six feet and more. william: in previous testimony, fauci said the cdc's initial guidance on maintaining six feet of distance was not "based in science, but based on earlier understanding" of how far viral droplets could travel through the air. he tried to clarify that statement today. dr. fauci: when i say it was not based in scie

fauci regarding the leading -- deleting e-mails? >> i don't remember any such thing. >> you don't remember. >> no, sir. and it would be -- tonyons. maria: and even if they have the conversations, he doesn't remember. fauci is set to to testify tomorrow on capitol hill for the first time since retiger as director of national institute of aller allergy and infectious diseases back in december of 2022. joining me now with a look ahead is the ranking member of the senate homeland security committee, senator rand paul, who's been at the forefront of the investigation into the origins of covid-19. senator, thanks very much for being here this morning. >> thanks for having me. maria: so dr. fauci is going to be testifying tomorrow. what are you expecting? >> well, you know, or our investigation has confirmed that he did, indeed, lie, he admitted a felony. he said that they did not fund, the nih did not fund gain of function, dangerous research in china. we now know that to be untrue. we know he committed a felony. but what we've discovered now is there was a massive cover-up from the very beginning. there was a behind the scenes eff

fauci and in 2021 he said i can't -- i can either send stuff to tony on his private g-mail. he is too smart to let colleagues send him things that could cause him trouble. what do you think they get from this hearing? >> you know, bill, i'm not certain. i hope it's an opportunity for tony to be relatively transparent with the american people and let people understand how he is thinking and why he made what decisions that he made. i think it's an opportunity for him to try to express the rationale behind some of the decisions that he made. >> dana: nichole malliotakis from staten island, congresswoman and she is on this committee. she was on "fox & friends" first this morning. listen here. >> we're uncovering a lot of discrepancies what dr. fauci told the committee and what other staff members have told the committee. we're trying to get to the bottom of the accountability. who is lying to this committee and committing perjury and responsible for the destruction of government records. whose idea was it to use a personal g-mail instead of using government email to avoid freedo

his emails, than toy uses gmail too i can contact tony on his gichl mail or walk right into his office or go to his house. we have asked for dr. fauci gmails i think important that we get them, yesterday, he said no, i never did any official business on my gmail, well, we're going to try and find out as we did with dr. morens. >> where does this go now then? >> well, you know we are going to take this -- er aren't finished with either of them as we dig into this as far as criminal liability i think a case to be made as dr. paul was pointing that out. we may be making criminal referrals to the department of justice not just we can always trust that but that is responsibility we have the other thing part of our job in in committee, is to come forward with a path forward part of what we're going to be doing making recommendations there there is criminal liability when things that toomgs under dr. fauci's watch niaid come with criminal spelled out in law we saw with fisa court made changes with fisa he reform. maria: just incredible, all of this, now what are the media talking about? they are talking about donald trump, now, and we've g

can either send stuff to tony on his private gmail or hand it to him at work or at his house, he is too smart to let colleagues send him stuff that could cause trouble. doctor faucilso acknowledged in the closed door session, as he had before publicly, that the wuhan, china lab leak hypothesis regarding the origin of covid 19 is one of two likely possibilities. but fauci continued to insist no federal funds were used for research to manipulate the coronavirus to be more transmissible at the facility. also in the closed door session, fauci said he agreed with all travel restrictions issued by then-president trump and his administration, some of which were criticized at the time as xenophobic. today doctor fauci is also expected to face questions about social distancing, masking and remote schooling, and whether guidance on those issues approved by the cdc director was based on science. andrew rhiannon. >> all right, alison, thank you for that. simone biles has added another record to her impressive resume. she won her ninth u.s. gymnastics all around title last night. the win sends biles to the olympic trials at the end of the month, a 27, she is the oldest woman

quote, tony, i really like you and you know that, but what the f are you doing? you really need to be positive. dr. fauciounts donald trump telling him quote, you constantly drop bombs on me. last night on rachel, dr. fauci elaborated. >> he wanted it so much to be like the flu because historically, the flu peaks then goes away in march. april, it's gone, then you could go on with the election cycle. >> it has a season. >> he kept on saying it's going to disappear like magic and that's when i had to start saying no, i'm sorry, that's not going to happen. i had to do that publicly. when that didn't work, he started invoking magical cures. when that wasn't working, he brought in scott atlas who told him everything he wanted to hear. >> with us, dr. gupta, global health policy expert and msnbc health contributor. i think part of, you know, it's interesting to get him on this now, dr. gupta, because i think a lot of us have forgotten what it was like during the day of the pandemic. you and i talked almost every day back then. what was it like trying to figure out this novel virus? novel because it was brand-

fauci held and in 2020, because we didn't address community issues and we learned that in hiv, this is what bothers me because tonyl faced hit be an understood the way you battle and the way we're controlling hiv without a vaccine is working with the community and listening to what they need and still, we're not listening to their concerns and saying this is a study that addresses that are we don't have the study that addresses that and we're going to get the information because we no, it's important to you. we can't ignore people. and when you ignore people, they get pushed to the side. they even got more vehement because they know they're being ignored when you look at what happened in rural health people died in rural communities because they've been dying at 20% higher rates across all diseases for more than a decade. they know that, they know that they've been ignored from the health care system. so these are the kinds of things that we have to address to rebuild trust. it's not going to happen as a one-off it's going to happen as a continuously listening, not sitting in atlanta or washington by getting out i

fauci. what did you think of what you heard in that hearing room this morning? what was your take away? >> i have a number of things to say. first of all, i interviewed tonye to covid origins, he always said and says that he keeps an open mind. the problem with that is that he clearly believes it came from a wet market, and he found support for that theory. and wasn't looking deeply into the question of lab origins, which really is something that needed to be given at least equal weight given that the wuhan institute of virology is there, given that they are funding research, that has backed coronavirus research, and also here in north carolina we are playing with coronaviruses. the second point is i have emailed with dr. fauci multiple times, and his point that he only ever uses his professional email. that has been my experience with him, as well. as far as schools, i don't think he bears the full blame for that, either. in july of 2020, he said to me on the radio, i want the schools open by the fall. he backtracked on that, he was back and forth on that, and i think one of the points he made today that applies to him is that we need consistent, open, h

tony." it's inconceivable that anyone could conclude i was trying to cover up the possibility of a lab leak. mind to the different possibilities. dr. anthony faucin the origins of covid-19. from the washington post reporting, the panel has not found -- the panel yesterday looking into the government's response -- has not found evidence that fauci led a cover up or the virus leaked from a laboratory. u.s. intelligence probing the pandemic favor the theory that the virus emerged naturally via animal to human transition. that's the washington post. here's the washington times. several major u.s. agencies say the lab leak is the most likely explanation. that is the washington times reporting. from the office of the director of national intelligence. they their report on the origins. this is from cnn reporting and the office of the director of national intelligence. "no consensus among intelligence agencies. every intelligence agency unanimously agreed it was not developed as a biological weapon. most agencies assess covid-19 was not genetically engineered but no consensus on that let's hear from howard in minnesota, democratic caller. good morning.

i can either send stuff to tony, meaning you and as private in overhead to him at work he is too smart to let colleagues sent him stuff that trouble. dr. fauci we have engaged in attempts to obstruct the freedom of information act and what is a public document? >> no.f >> did dr. with you about h official business using his private e-mail? >> official business? no.. >> did you ever encourage doctor moraines to use his private email address for official business? >> no. >> mydh next question, sir is on february 1 2020. you, yourself, dr. fauci the nh director collins and at least 11 other scientists were on a conference call to discuss the origins of covid. a number of theite is said there would concern codek at the wuhan institute of virology and were c94 lab leak would hurt o the redfield testified heec not invited on this conference call and hees he cuts he believed the lab leak at three was possible. three days later on february 4, 2020 four participants on the call authored a paper proximal origin which was sent proximal origin pushed the natural origin april 16, 2020, the nih director director dr. collins e-mailed you expressing dismay