it started with tony fauci. he's probably very happy he got his pardon from joe biden because i think tony fauci committed crimes when he illegally funded covid in the wuhan lab from n.i.h. through a subcontractor. which was illegal. gain of function research is illegal to fund. he did -- tony fauci did it anyway. he lied about it to congress. he instructed -- obstructed the investigations. he covered it up. he conspired with others. this led to trillions of dollars in lost treasure. millions of lost lives. years of learning loss for kids. particularly poor black kids who are already at a huge disadvantage. and years of unnecessary suffering. human misery because of covid. there has to be accountability. and then after this covid came out, when they were pushing the vaccine at all costs, and not any of the therapeutics and pushing a mask mandate, a cloth mask mandate that does not work. a six-foot rule not based upon the science. how much disruption did tony fauci cost to his lives. he may have his biden pardon,

tony fauci, those individuals like that are not there for 40 years as czars of agencies that you have no ability to rein them in. that's one of the reasons why were having this debate is we're trying to say we want to use the purse strings to be able to get control of these agencies have been so ineffective. >> host: take two minutes and explain what your job was, budget director the white house during the pandemic in march of 2020, how your job changed during the pandemic and just your view on fighting the pandemic from what your role was. >> guest: my role was always the budget, the regulation but all the government execution. my role on the covid task force was to help the different agencies, if the decision was made, to execute that decision. i have to deal with a decision that was made by policy officials i think you would have the bureaucracy of the cdc come back and have it rewritten and you'd have to go back, that's not what was great too. so over and over you'd have these types of issues, but also trying to get the funding for what we were doing. we need a lot of money at fem

it started with tony fauci.s probably very happy he got his pardon from joe biden because i think tony fauci committed crimes when he illegally funded covid in the wuhan lab from n.i.h. through a subcontractor. which was illegal. gain of function research is illegal to fund. he did -- tony fauci did it anyway. he lied about it to congress. he instructed -- obstructed the investigations. he covered it up. he conspired with others. this led to trillions of dollars in lost treasure. millions of lost lives. years of learning loss for kids. particularly poor black kids who are already at a huge disadvantage. and years of unnecessary suffering. human misery because of covid. there has to be accountability. and then after this covid came out, when they were pushing the vaccine at all costs, and not any of the therapeutics and pushing a mask mandate, a cloth mask mandate that does not work. a six-foot rule not based upon the science. how much disruption did tony fauci cost to his lives. he may have his biden pardon, but

we took him very seriously while tony fauci and others were suppressing the lab leak theory but look at all the evidence for it. where did this virus come from. how come it started spreading wildly. what happens in that lab. how come people getting sick in the lab and being sent to the hospitals in the summer of 2019? how come we didn't hear about any of this? how come and this is the part that involves the w.h.o., the w.h.o. was saying china bought the world time and china, it was only a regional problem only. so no wonder president trump is saying because he is after all a great businessman, how come china is paying $38 million and we're paying $500 million to an agency the political top of that agency is busy carrying water for china and helping them suppress emerging pandemics? he is basically shaking the stick at them and say you are not helping america. why should i pay for you? >> all right. well, when you think of the billions we spend on the cia budget. the billions and billions. and we're just hearing that they now favor the lab leak? i mean, that's just a total indictment

we have had tony fauci and francis collins and we have had music and dennis fleming and others.orld and they will and they will keep saving our lives and they'll save lives throughout the world. in some ways health and justice are much more basic than that. i often have tried to think in my mind as i travel from countries around the world it's very obvious countries that make you feel happy and healthy and those where you come back and you just aren't feeling well. so this is my hope for the world, that every child will get up in the morning and they will go and brush their teeth and there will be cleaned portable water. they will go to their kitchen table and their mom will feed them a healthy nutritious breakfast and then they will go outside and they aren't going to be attacked by malaria or dengue mosquitoes. they will drive unsafe roads. they will breathe clean air. they will be free to be who they are, to be empowered and the little girls the women and the everyone will feel cherished and they will live in an environment where they feel that they matter and they are health

we needed international cooperation among scientists which is what tony fauci thought we had.r, he was trying to suppress one narrative and push the other narrative. and we didn't get what we needed which is when a virus emerges, no matter what country, the entire world needs to know about it. what its risk is, where it came from and what to do about it. and we didn't have that that, and we still don't have that and we need it. mike: health and human services secretary nominee robert f. kennedy jr. is due to meet with two different senate committees in this week in the confirmation process. what are your expectations, doc? >> well, you know, as you know, there's been a lot of attention paid to people that are detractors of his because of vaccines. coming from the right, there's the issue of abortion. coming from mike pence's group. but i think his is about a changing the food we eat, getting less kids chronically ill, and that will save a ton of hundred for the united states in addition to to saving lives. mike, we're busting at the seams here. medicare is spending about a $80

we have to get an international consortium of scientists, that's tony fauci's.y caused a pandemic. it can cause massive problems and lead to the next pandemic. i agree with donald trump on this. we have to not be doing this kind of research. >> ainsley: now, r.f.k. jr. faces confirmation hearings on wednesday. the hill has an op-ed it says the headline is many so-called experts who owe r.f.k. jr. an apology in four years. he writes church picked kennedy quickly move the needle while saving untold lives nut process. paid a high price. he did not care. i will look to see how many people who smeared kennedy for his courageous beliefs and warnings have sense offered him an apology. that list should be long. your thoughts? >> is he not going to get an apology. i will tell you one thing. is he right in the middle of a really important issue in this country and it's why he is going to get in. we are not healthy here. we are a [sic] society. 45% of adults are obese. 20% of children are obese. do you know what obesity does? it leads to disease. the kind of diseases i tre

not -- i didn't get to participate in that discussion with the president, the vice president, and tony fauci and debby burks because i was never an advocate of closing the schools. i never was an advocate of lockdowns. i didn't think it was good public health policy. though i didn't call it the great barrier declaration, i was one that needed to protect the vulnerable. we have lost public trust, no doubt about it. it really harms public health in a big way. we've lost trust in science. i think tony made a big mistake, he said when you criticize me, you criticize science. no, that's not what we're saying. we need to have honest, open discussions and debate and that's what science is about. i agree with my colleague here, we lost the ability to really have open, honest discussions. and we really have to try to make sure that doesn't happen again. >> senator johnson, should fauci appear before your committee again? roger: what are the big unanswered questions that still need to be death with and how do we built -- dealt with and how do we build from that and what reform needs to be investigated

i understand why he doesn't like tony fauci. brian hook, that one has always confused me.s crosshairs? >> enough people close. >> to the sitting. >> president have gotten in his ear. >> over the years that brian. >> hook was one. >> of these. >> disloyal deep. >> staters in his ranks, who. >> was actually. >> trying to. >> thwart his. >> supposedly america. >> first policies. >> during his first term. >> now, i. >> asked around. >> a lot. about this, as. >> i'm sure you have. and the. i haven't found. >> very much. strong evidence. >> for this. >> this is just something. that has been repeated to donald trump. >> enough that. >> it's kind of been cemented in his brain as a reality. >> more so. >> than spin. or fiction. >> so whatever. >> brian hook's. >> personal views of trump's conduct or behavior. >> or social. >> media. posts here. >> and there. >> my understanding of him. via my. >> reporting is. >> just that. >> he carried. >> out trump's iran. related policies. basically. >> to. >> the. >> hilt, that the administration wanted him to, largely because trump had his se

like he has to give pardons for people who did nothing wrong, like his family, and like doctor tony fauci, just because he's afraid of the vindictiveness of donald trump. and i would pledge right now to work with my colleagues on the other side of the aisle and the other side of the capitol to try to get some more comity. i don't think people should be having to pardon innocent people because they're afraid of retribution. >> i wasn't talking about his innocent relatives. i was talking about hunter. but i hear what you're saying. congresswoman diana degette of colorado, thank you so much. really appreciate your time. the parents of one american hostage still being held by hamas are in washington, d.c., meeting with president trump and his middle east envoy. have they gotten any assurances that. >> this super man, the christopher reeve story, february 2nd on cnn. >> welcome to the nauta network. >> they switched to juniper's a.i. native network. and now everyone's so productive they're operating at a higher gear. that's the new way to network at work with real a.i., putting you in the fast

he said he urged trump to reconsider his determination to seek retribution against people like tony fauci and liz cheney, that that would be counterproductive for his own interests. >> and what was what was the reaction? >> he said that trump didn't say he would take his advice, but he didn't say he wouldn't. he said he mostly listened. mostly. >> mostly listened. and his attitude as he leaves the office. is he embittered? is he? is he relieved? what's his mental state? >> you know, he was the most animated with two things. one, when he talked about his son hunter's battle against addiction and the success he's had for several years in staying sober. and the second thing was when he revealed that his first great grandchild is supposed to be born today by c-section, his granddaughter, naomi. i'm not sure. naomi is delighted that her grandfather released that news. >> let's talk about hunter biden. obviously, he's facing criticism not only from republicans and conservatives, but a lot of democrats have gotten out and criticized president biden for pardoning his son. did he have any reaction

not to be going after tony fauci and prosecuting four- star general. in this kind of allows him to focus on things that he's good at, what would end up being something that kind of feeds to his worst instincts. i think he'll mad about this. an awkward car ride over. changing some of the remarks he'll be giving later today. he'll address this in some form. >> what's most amazing, step back to boris' interview, on a day, we press rewind to trump's last inauguration, all the resistance and the pink hats, now it's like can pit lags and maga hats, that's an amazing thing to see, amazing turn of events, i don't want to minimize the coalition that trump put together. van was thinking, how do we win those guys back? >> well, first, i want to say, donald trump should be flattered that biden did these pardons. joe biden think that donald trump is an honest man, he's going after his enemies, biden believes trump, trump's an honest man, so he pardoned them. with regard to today, lot of people that we thought we were going to democrats forever are not. lot of peopl