tony were not of them testified under oath to the committee, i do not recall. he said he had no memory of that conversation. >> you know, lawrence, i find it sort of ironic that wes pattern emerge in trump world a lot, where we have men whose memories often fail them. i stand by my testimony to the committee, i stand by my testimony provided to the department of justice, i stand by my testimony -- i stand by everything i described in the book. >> you say in the book, that the trump funded lawyer who you started with was advising you to say you do not recall, pretty much all the time, even when you did recall. >> that's correct. there also was an element of that too, if you don't recall an event fully, or let's not refresher memory on things. but i think, looking at that as a whole, i think that's the experience of a lot of people in trump world, who have trump appointed attorneys. i think if the individual in florida in a mar-a-lago case, who has recently switched, according to public reporting, as recently switched counsel from a public -- trump appointed attorney, to a public attorney. because that individual was counseled to not recall certain events to prote