. >> tony marx, why do you think the new york public library is at its apex? >> guest: i think there are butch of reasons. one, i think, after the economy had its difficulties in 2008, more people had to come in, particularly to the branches, because they couldn't afford an extra room or quiet at home or air condition organize computers or books. so partly an economic driver. it think that's not all that is going on. as it is increasingly possible to do more of the work of the mind alone in front of a screen, the more people actually want to come in and be with each other. we're human beings. we dope want to just sit in a cave by ourselves, even a cave with a screen. we want to actually be inspired by beautiful spaces, and by seeing other people who are working, and actually if we do our job right, want you to find the other people who are in the room working on the same thing. community is still part, a powerful part, of human nature, and the library is the centerpiece, the foundation of that, in the world of ideas and information, in any city or town, and ce