equation in terms of those who are aware of sandusky's actions is obviously a guy by the name of tony mcquearyi believep he was aged 28 and literally witnessed a 10-year-old boy being sodomized, turned his back and went and told his father who joined him to go and tell coach paterno, but nobody addressed law enforcement officials. it's inexcusable. >> so b.j. schechter, the report em me iofthbong essuntan..upo sresehay. the. e gedi. ve tofe n >>> those who argue this is a rush to judgment. there has not been a full investigation, how can you reach this conclusion at is this time? >> as i said, these are judgments and decisions and balances that boards have to make with thoughtful deliberation and arguably things had reached a point we needed to make a decision in the long-term interest of the university. >> that was the vice president of the board of trustees making the statement that joe paterno is no longer the head football coach at penn state. joining me are mike papantonio and b.j. schechter. this alleged abuse went over 15 years. steven a. smith, does joe paterno have to clear his name t

equation in terms of those who are aware of sandusky's actions is obviously a guy by the name of tony mcquearyrally witnessed a 10-year-old boy being sodomized, turned his back and went and told his father who joined him to go and tell coach paterno, but nobody addressed law enforcement officials. it's inexcusable. >> so b.j. schechter, the report is, joe paterno spoke to a witness and let it sit right thereafter moving it up the chain of command. but then never followed up on it after that. i mean, how are -- how's penn state alumni or anybody for that matter going to be able to reconcile with that? >> i think it's very clear that joe paterno did the very bear minimum and he didn't do enough. he's the most powerful person at penn state, he has an ethical and moral obligation to do more, and he didn't. how does he fix this or attempt to right this? he's got to come out, be con treat, apologize. he's got to reach out to the victims, we need to hear from him. he needs to apologize. he needs to come out now and tell these students look, don't do anything stupid, i'm no longer the coach here, go h

tony, i want you to talk about this but i want you guys to listen to this. and again, this is very graphic. here's what penn state assistant coach mike mcquearyave, says he witnessed in 2002. again, it was very graphic. he witnessed this in 2002 when he was a graduate assistant. >> he saw a naked boy, victim 2, whose age he estimated to be 10 years old, with his hands up against the wall being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked sandusky. the graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both victim 2 and sandusky saw him. the graduate assistant left immediately, distraught. >> tony, you -- you were raped at you said 9 years old, right? >> yes. >> if this is what he witnessed, this would be rape. >> yes. >> you would have wanted someone to come to your rescue. >> yeah, definitely if someone saw that, i would have wanted someone to believe what happened and believe what they saw and not to sort of defy or deny what they're actually seeing. and i would want someone to like advocate for me and get help. especially when they see that i'm being victimized. >> yeah. and as a -- you know, i wanted to hoe people what a 10-year-old boy -- you j