and we have now on the line tony murphy who was also in the area. what you saw, what you heard at -- >> well, i'm actually, i'm actually military. and about half an hour ago preceding all the problem i have a flat which is adjacent to southern bridge. london bridge is across the way. and, in fact, there was tremendous gunfire which started. i thought at first it was fireworks, but then i recognized it. it was significant gunfire. and that was the first incident. and only afterwards very rapidly, because i'm up on thames street here, then the emergency started about ten minutes after. but the whole incident started with gunfire, and it was significant gunfire. it went on for quite a few minutes. which i -- other people would have thought it was fireworks but, of course, i recognized it immediately. i mean, that was the precipitating cause. and after that the whole shooting match of ambulances and police and what you've seen on the television screen at the moment. i was worried about it. and, in fact, i text my family to the say there was gunfire even