a few weeks later, tony ornado quit the secret service as well. and then there is the unsettling question that still hang officials january 6th when it comes to the secret service and mike pence. the vice president famously told the head of the detail that day, i'm not getting into that car. the secret service tried to get him into a vehicle. some members of the january 6 committee suggested that was because pence had reason to worry. worry that secret service was trying to ferry him way from the capitol and not just for his safety. committee member called pence's refusal i'm not getting in that car, he said that is six of the most chilling words in american history. and now today, we have this. today, a former member of that group testified that leader claimed to have a contact in the secret service. and he said that months before the january 6 attack he overheard oath keepers leader stewart rhodes having a phone conversation with someone rhodes said was a secret service agent. rhodes was discussing parameters under which the oath keepers would o

i no he that tony ornado is of this.on tony ornado that wanted to have vice president pence removed from the capitol. do you think tony ornado may have been doing the bidding of the president whendd requesting for the vice president to be removed? >> i just -- i don't have enough information to opine about that important question. that you just posed. i'll just say i found, i think i said this before, that the six most chilling words that have surfaced in this investigation to my mind were i'm not getting in that car. andtt they might be six of the most chilling words ever to appear in a congressional investigation. and i believe -- this is not a verbatim quote, but i believe the vice president said something to the effect of, well, you're not the one driving the car. so i think that was a very dicey moment for american democracy. and on that day, and i speak only to that day alone, vice president pennsylvania was a constitutional patriot. simply by doing his job. and bydo refusing to back down. there are other indicator

for example, tony ornado in particular was an agent who worked for the secret service, who then wentack to work, who then became trump administration official and worked directly for the president in a political position. this was something that was really unprecedented. and i think raised a lot of questions and alarms about whether or not he was able to do his job of protecting the president while also serving in a political role and trying to appease the former president. the same with bobby engel. a lot of the relationships have been scrutinized as these new details about the secret service's actions on the day of january 6th. i think i wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow we do see some potential communications that go beyond tony arenado and those that are less sympathetic towards those in the federal government. >> where do things stand with tony arenado testifying? there is so much confusion about what happened on january 6 between the secret service and donald trump. >> yeah. right now where tony arenado stands is he is no longer a government employee. he resigned the day he was

he passed that information along to tony or noto -- ornado, who worked for mark meadows. the documents we obtained from the secret service made clear the crowd outside magnetometers was armed and the agents knew it. take a look at what they were seeing and hearing on the ground. one report said some members of the crowd are wearing body armor with military grade backpacks. another from 9:30 a.m. said there was possibly pepper spray and plastic riot shields. at 11:23 a.m., agents also reported possible armed individuals, one with a glock, one with a rifle. over the next hour, they reported a possible man with the gun. confirmed pistol on hip. the individual had an assault rifle on his person. before president trump began his speech, members of the federal protective service, an agency tasked with protecting federal buildings, were alerted of an arrest of a protester with a gun on his waistband. during the speech, the weapons-related arrests continued. at 12:13 p.m., the u.s. police arrested a man with a rifle in front of the world war ii memorial.these agents remarked e nu

specifically aware of the large crowds outside the mag magnetometers, he passed information to tony ornadognetometers were armed and the agents knew it. take a look at what they were seeing and hearing on the ground. one report from the rally site at 7:58 a.m. said some members are wearing ballistic armor, carrying radio equipment and military grade backpacks. another from 9:30 a.m. said there were possibly oc spray, meaning pepper spray and/or plastic riot shields. at 11:23 a.m., agents also reported possible armed individuals. one with a glock, one with a rifle. over the next hour, agents reported possible man with a gun reported. confirmed pistol on hip located in a tree, and one detained at 14th and i street northwest, individual had an assault rifle on his person. minutes before president trump began his speech, members of the federal protective service, an agency tasked with protecting federal buildings were alerted about an arrest of a protester with a gun on his waistband. and during this speech, the weapons related arrests continued. at 12:13 p.m., united states park police arrest

ornado, was telling her story, she is referring to tony ornato, who is kind of a central figure in all this drama around the secret service. he was an agent on trump's protective detail, for his first two years as president, before he left to go work in secret service headquarters. but then trump brought him back, not as a secret service agent, but as a top official in the west wing, a deputy chief of staff. that was an unprecedented move, no one had ever heard of a secret service agent being put into a job like that, especially because of the strictly apolitical nature of the secret service. in the aftermath of cactus city hutchinson's testimony, an anonymous secret service officials told both reporters that tony ornato, and bobby engle would testify that the altercation, the one cassidy hutchison described, that never happened. that neither of those men ever did give that testimony. >> a few days after hutchinson's testimony, the head of the secret service up and quit. a few weeks later, tony ornato quit the secret service as well. and then there is the unsettling question the still

tony ornato testifying behind closed doors with the committee? there is so much confusion about what exactly happened on january 6th, between the secret service and donald trump. >> right now, where attorney ornadoger a government employee. he actually resigned the day that he was supposed to conduct an interview with the department of homeland inspector general as part of an internal investigation into his actions with regard to january 6th. he has also yet to appear in front of a another january 6th interview with the congressional committee investigating the insurrection. that being said, he did initially appear for an interview earlier in the spring where he could not recall a lot of answers to questions that other witnesses were able to recall. as one's committee source phrased it to me quite eloquently, it's that these guys referring to tony ornato and bobby engle, trump's secret service detail, was that they were not being honest. and that what we are going to see tomorrow, potentially, is that we would see more holes being poked in the responses that they were giving to investigators in the closed-door depositions. new evidence, information, communication, the chose that they did not be