what do you want to know from tony ornato, and how close are you to getting some of those answers?we do want to talk to him again. and there are a lot of things that just don't add up to me, what the secret service has said and the material that we're get getting. some of the testimony is inconsistent. so, his abrupt departure from the secret service is of interest. and we're hoping to be able to explore this one in the near future. so, i don't mean to suggest that he's unwilling to come in. there's no indication that's the case. but we're looking forward to further discussion with him. >> what's your reaction to what we heard from the former president today that he is meeting with some of those who were at the capitol on january 6th offering, as he calls it, financial support. if he runs and wins re-election, he is considering pardoning them with an apology. what do you think about what you heard from former president trump? >> you know, every time i think i can't be shocked, i'm shocked. you know, today there was one of the defendants, who brutally attacked a capitol police offic

. >> so, the lead secret service officer on the then president's detail, tony ornato, has been in questionetired over.can y he can to? >> well, that's a conversation for him and his attorney. we remain deeply wanting to hear from him. the secret service indicated they would make him available prior to his retirement, and then he coincidentally went out and retired. so, we feel that it's important. he has spoken to us, but obviously we've heard new details since his testimony that we feel are important to ask. so, he and others remain an important part of our investigative work that continues. >> do you mean to suggest that he retired so he wouldn't have to testify? >> i'm just saying that the timeline is the timeline. we were in conversations to hear from him and then he retired. so, as a private citizen, we will continue to work with his private attorney to see if -- to see if he will come before the committee and share additional testimony with us. woisonedthe tcrital the s critics have pointed to the fact that you took a break over the summer as a counterpoint to n' t immediate if you w

. >> well, harry to your point about individuals and tony ornato has been putting off another interview with the committee. here is what one member said this weekend, take a listen. >> we remain deeply wanting to hear from him. the secret service indicated that they would make him available prior to his retirement. and then he coincidentally went out and retired. >> do you mean to suggest that he retired so he wouldn't have to testify? >> i'm just saying that the timeline is the timeline. we were in conversation with -- to hear from him and then he retired. so, as a private citizen who will continue to work with his private attorney to see if he will come before the committee and share additional testimony with us. >> harriet, the timeline as the timeline question mark. why do you think ornato might be invasive? >> well, because he doesn't like what it means to say. he has been put right to, it right? and it comes from him, she said, this is what he told me. 100 percent by the way he's been diplomatic. that is of course when he retired. as a committee between time and the fact that peop

. >> are you still seeking the testimony of tony ornato and the other secret service agents who i remember you sharing with us have retained private counsel? >> yes, the answer is, yes. we will do that in an orderly fashion when we've had an opportunity to review the large amount of documentary evidence that has now come in from the secret service. >> congresswoman lofgren talking to our own nicolle wallace. this is one of those things where you and mr. litt have very different work histories, but in journalism and in litigation, you can't make predictions. no one knew six months ago that the secret service was going to become so central. i don't believe, i don't recall anybody knew outside of a small group of people that there was even this alleged confrontation of a real movie scene variety. what do you think of the way this committee continues to follow its leads and now is having more hearings than initially planned? >> well, it's doing what law enforcement and journalists and everybody else who does investigations has to do, which is you adjust to the facts as you learn new facts, you

if there would be witnesses, he told reporters that the committee asked the secret service for tony ornatono longer required to do so. >>> liz cheney of wyoming shared new details yesterday about what she experienced on january 6th. speaking at a conference in washington, cheney recounted a conversation she had with an unnamed republican colleague shortly before the violence broke out who said she was reluctantly going along with the plan to block the certification results. >> you know, in the cloak room on january 6th before the attack happened, there were so many who wanted to show they were objecting, but they set up these sign-up sheets in the cloak room. as i was sitting there a member came in and signed his name on each of the state's sheets and said under his breath, "the things we do for orange jesus." and i thought, you know, you're taking an act that is unconstitutional. >> orange jesus. congresswoman cheney, who lost her primary bid this summer, is also part of a new push in the house to prevent any future attempts to turn over elections. she introduced the presidential election

vehicle now, since her testimony yesterday, two of the people involved, trump allies bobby engel and tony ornatos you'll hear often in the clip, have contested aspects of the story through anonymous intermediaries in the press. although i'm personally skeptical of their denials, since for one thing, they weren't the ones under oath. she was. and also, according to a "washington post" reporter who has covered the secret service extensively, engel and ornato were apparently known as enablers and yes men to the president, and very much people who wanted to do what he wanted and see him pleased. so both of those individuals lose a little credibility because of how closely they've been seen as aligned to donald trump obviously, we'll need more information, but the core of the story, that trump wanted to go to the capitol and lead the mob and was irate when he couldn't, is uncontested here's how hutchinson relayed it under oath yesterday >> tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of, "i'm the effing president. take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responde

are you still seeking the testimony of tony ornato and the other agents? i remember you sharing with us, have obtained private counsel. >> the answer is yes. we will do that in an orderly fashion when we have had an opportunity to review the large amount of documentary evidence that has now come in from the secret service. it's important that we get that information reviewed before we reinterview him. >> do you have new evidence that wasn't at your disposal at the time of the last public hearing ended? >> yes. >> care to categorize i any of that? >> no, you know our rules don't allow us to categorize or discuss the evidence, but new information has come in. and some of it is very pertinent. some of it is less relevant, but it's been a large volume of information that we really pressed hard for the agency to release. they should have done so before we had to issue subpoenas earlier this summer. but there's now a very steady flow of data coming in to the committee and it's a huge amount. it takes a little bit to go through it all. >> i know you tried very ha

tony ornato, the former chief of trump's operations, but also a secret service detail lead, very unusual position, i might note, has still yet to come forward to provide an additional interview with investigators despite saying that he would be willing to do so now he has retired from the secret service agency and has a private lawyer, so we'll see if that actually materializes. there's people like ginni thomas, who had a medical condition that prevented her from appearing in front of the committee, despite a request. we'll have to see if the committee will escalate their efforts with a subpoena to get her to come in. new lines of inquiry or new nuggets of news that the committee picked up along the way in august and are now shaping and debating how they're going to present this information to the american public again. >> okay. jacki allah mainly, looks like we'll be seeing you more as this picks up again. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," senator lindsey graham gets pushback from both sides of the aisle after introducing a new 15-week abortion ban bill. we'll take a look at what some o