right to marry the person they love without big government getting in the way. >>> joining me now, tony perkinsof the family research council, one of the biggest opponents of same-sex marriage. mr. perkins welcome to the show. >> good afternoon, luke. >> it seems that the court is in position to possibly strike down doma. or some based on the states' rights arguments. i have a question for you. do you agree -- what is your problem with them knocking down the states' rights argument? >> well, there's really two components of doma, the federal defense of marriage act. one for federal purposes, it defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but it 30 states have now done into their state constitutions, and eight through their statutes. so it also protects the states to be self-determining as it pertains to marriage. it's not all about the federal government. >> so do you have a problem, then with the state of massachusetts being allowed to have its views on same-sex marriage as well as the state of mississippi. but -- and the states where it's allowed the federal benefits to kick in. to opposit

tony perkins of the family research council appeared this issue to your recent super bowl win. what he said. >> 30 states, eight additional states have the definition of natural marriage into their statutes. so we're far from being at a point where america has embraced same-sex marriage. if you look at it you know, brendan, they won the super bowl by three points. we're at 30 to i think two states where the people have actually voted on marriage. that's a pretty widespread. >> brendan, i want to ask you, you never got a chance to respond to that. do you think that this really needs to be a states rights issue? do you think that the majority should be voting on minority civil rights? >> no, not at all. it shouldn't be voted on by even the people this is actually something that's guaranteed under the constitution. but look at the last two states that did take it to vote. those two states passed the marriage equality and if you look at the polls out, the majority of americans are voting for marriage equality. not only do we have the majority of the people and states are voting for

. >> let's listen to something that tony perkins said just after the president endorsed same-sex marriageg the presidential campaign. >> i don't think the president did a political calculus to do this. because if he did, he needs to go back to the calculator, because it's a bad formula. because when you look at the state's -- north carolina, a key swing state, ohio, they have an amendment. 16 -- the key swing states, ten of them have marriage amendments. >> jonathan capehart, it looks like not such a tough call from where we sit today. but a lot of people thought that tony perkins had that political math right back then. >> a lot of people it. but a lot of people also thought he was wrong. i have to say that, you know, gene said that it seems like the president's words had an impact. i can speak from my own experience that with my own mother, a born-again christian, the president's words had a direct impact. i've been out to my mother for years now since i came home from college. and slowly but surely she came around to being fine with having a gay son. but it wasn't until the president s

the wrong tony perkins. >> stephanie: you have to keep reminding yourself it's not that tony perkinsin spite of the fact that he has a record that is deplorable on israel comes from democratic senators who are mostly aligned with a lot of the jewish lobby here and enjoy the money coming from the jewish community. the jewish community seems to be liberal, and supports democratic candidates, yet they work against the benefit of israel in many ways, and this is an example. >> so he is calling chuck hagel an anti semite while calling it -- >> stephanie: isn't that what chuck hagel got in trouble for in the first place calling it the jewish lobby. >> or if you use it as a verb instead of a noun. >> stephanie: right, i bet he has while negotiating -- [ laughter ] >> stephanie: and then there's his theme song. ♪ >> stephanie: ja-he-sus, was the right kind of ja-hew. >> the judao part of hanukkah. >> stephanie: road flair mary is going to call me any minute. show me a poor jew! [ applause ] >> jesus. >> stephanie: right, for one. miss you mary. pat robertson on the 700 club. >> i think my un

tony perkins. good to have you here. first -- >> our you doing? >> i'm doing great.er listening to these arguments, what is your impression? as a standard fall? >> this technical issue is not insignificant, the court could throw this out because the federal government, the justice department did not aggressively defended, did not defended at all. they had to have a third party supported by the house, by congress. that is the first hurdle. the questioning was -- it seems to be slanted. but their is a compelling reason. of vital interest for the federal government to preserve a definition of marriage. when you look at the social science data that has been amassed over the last several decades, children did best with a mom and dad and i think we have this conversation backers were people are talking about what these benefits from the government. this couple deserves the benefits. marriages have been set aside in a separate class and given certain benefits. it is because they benefit society in raising children. is that complementary nature of a man and woman to come tog

evan wilson, founder and president of freedom to marry and tony perkins, family research council. here. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> megyn: let me start with you on this, tony, doma had a tough day in court and in doma's defense it didn't have the federal government there to defend it. normally they get the defense of the department of justice and president obama declined to do that in this case because he doesn't believe the law is constitutional. and they hired a skilled advocate, he defended the law. and if struck down, what does that mean? >> as you know, megyn, there are two components to doma, one is protecting the states and their definition of marriage and the question today the federal definition of marriage, what doma does for the federal government. defining it as you said as a man and a woman. the fact that the government didn't defend it may have a bearing on what the court does with the case, but if they strike it down the bigger question is how do you define marriage in this country because the federal government obviously has a compelling from in defi

tony perkins one of the leading religious conservatives in the country.ne of the smartest folks, talking about public policy. adam: lou dobbs, thank you very much. i don't know if lou is on the list for the 8,000, a few lucky people will, sporting fancy expensive eyewear coming days thanks to google. shibani joshi has details about google glass. >> if lou wants some he could get a pair of google glasses. adam, you want some too move over chanel frames. this is something more geeky. people will be able to get their hands on first pairs of google glasses. the tech giant ran a contest not too long ago and asked for 50-word essay for applicants where they were asked to explain how they will use the technology in their own lives. now if you're one of those lucky 8,000 winners, you're being notified today and over the next couple of days. so hold out hope. check your in-box. they will be notified by either by google plus or by twitter. the google glass team didn't say how many applicants were in total but wrote on a google blog post, quote, we could have never

when you asked, for example, i had an interview with tony perkins and the family research council. what is it about calling a gay union marriage that offends you? how does it hurt a traditional or heterosexual marriage? >> bill: right. >> i didn't hear anything articulated that was particularly persuasive. >> bill: i agree with you 100%. 100% i hate to say this kelly. next week i have something for kelly she is not going to like. i agree 100%. compelling argument is on the side of homosexuals. that's where the compelling argument is. we are americans. we just want to be treated like everybody else. that's a compelling argument. and to deny that you have got to have a very strong argument on the other side. >> the argument on the other side -- >> -- the argument on the other side hasn't been anything thump the bible. >> marriage is institution for 2,000 years has been about a man and woman creating babies and protocol creation. look how society has changed. i mean, people they talked today about would we be okay passing a law saying people over a 5 can't get married because they are

we've heard things like tony perkins say that there's a possibility of a revolution in this country if the supreme court upholds same-sex marriage equality. the thing i think that is really fascinating is the members of the gop elite, the power brokers on the far right, who are pushing as far as they can to the trends that they are talking about. you have mike huckabee saying that if the gop goes soft on marriage, they are going to run away from the party. evangelicals are going to run away from the party. now, i don't think that they are really going to give up on politics and stay home, but what i do think is that every republican on capitol hill hears that loud and clear. >> yeah. >> so if they are looking at the possibility of a divisive nasty gop primary, they are going to remember that maybe they need to hold the line on this issue. so the gop is between a rock and a hard place on this. i'm not sure what they are going to do. >> governor, the politics on this -- i'm over time and the politics of this, will the ruling of the court energize the base of the left or the right dependi

. >> stephanie: jim tony perkins. >> no mother no! the lie that same-sex marriage won't affect you. it may take teenage vows invading girl's locker rooms to prove it, but redefining -- >> if boys are raiding the girl's locker room they are not gay. >> right. [ laughter ] >> he lost me -- that sentence we -- what? is this your fantasy? >> stephanie: i remember my -- [♪ mysterious music ♪] >> stephanie: my high school best friend, tracy richards and i, i remember our boyfriends at the time give us pig give back rides into the boy's locker room one time, and we got in a lot of trouble. i don't know what that means, but i ended up gay. [♪ dramatic music ♪] >> tony perkins is right! >> stephanie: yes. thought it would be fun and father bartenquest didn't. maybe that was his cruising spot. >> this is my bar. this is your bar. >> most people use the park. he uses the locker room. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: listen i'm just kidding -- >> looking at the catholic church these days, it's entirely possible. >> stephanie: okay. really? why we're pope

. >> when you ask, for example, i had an interview with tony perkins of family research council, whatit about calling marriage, calling a gay union marriage that offends you, how does it hurt traditional, heterosexual marriage, i didn't hear anything articulated that was particularly persuasive. >> i agree with you 100%. i agree with you 100%. the compelling argument is on the side of homosexuals. that's where the compelling argument is. we're americans, we just want to be treated like everybody else. that's a compelling argument. and to deny that, you have to have a strong argument on the other side. and the other side hasn't done anything but thump the bible. i live in new york, i am fine with it. i want all americans to be happy, i do. >> in 1977, harvey milk was the first openly gay person elected to public office in the state of california when he won a seat on the san francisco board of supervisors. he was in office less than a year, helping to pass a landmark gay rights ordinance before he was assassinated, while at work in his office, in city hall. joining me for his first nat

family reform council president tony perkins has wrote this week, raince priebus's has decided that the for his party -- >> president of the national organization for marriage, brian brown, sass the grassroots of the party are 100% committed to protecting marriage and you can't just kick them to the curb. >> and according to faith and freedom coalition founder, raffle reed, if the republican party tries to retreat from being a pro marriage, pro family party, the big tent is going to become a pup tent very fast. >> will republican elders heed the warnings from social conservatives? at the rnc at least, the ship may have already sailed. as evidence, the rnc strategy document released this week, the so-called growth and opportunity project, did not once mention the words christian or church. joining us now to discuss the future of social conservatism and marriage equality, is the president of the human rights campaign, chad griffin. chad, it is a happy day to have you on this program. >> it is nice to be here, alex. >> chad, let's talk about what's going on inside the republican party. the

tony perkins, the leader of the family research council has repeatedly and falsely said on national televisionlsewhere that we list their group because they oppose homosexuality. they believe homosexuality is a sin and because they oppose same-sex marriage. as perkins knows, that is not true. we criticize them and have listed them as a hate group since 2010 because they put out information like the absolutely false claim that gay men molest children at vastly higher rates than straight men. >> mark, we're going to end it on that note. >> they are depicting gay people as incestuous, evil, perverted and a danger to our nation and so on. we think we're fully within our rights to call them what they are, a hate group. certainly we are not in favor of any violence. >> yeah, i got you. >> tore violence that occurred at frc. >> he's the author of the report. worth looking at that report, the southern poverty law center. michael medved is a conservative commentator, john avalon is a cnn contributor and the author of "wingnuts." still to come the dow jones. we'll tell you more about that when we come b

so you get gary bauer, you get old tony perkins there on cbs, making the same version of the gary bauer argument. the polls are skewed! you get rick santorum out there still, now running the issue like a racket in a way that would make newt gingrich proud. rick santorum is now sending out direct mail appeals, saying that if you send him $100, he will urge the supreme court to rule against gay marriage. because, presumably, rick santorum can't do that urging without your $100. he's running it like a racket. but this is what it's come to. it's a mess on the other side of this argument, from where david boyce and ted olson and the solicitor general of the united states will be arguing tomorrow. nobodies what legal direction the justices will take this in. and you can double that for the defense of marriage cases that will be argued the following day. we don't know yet how all of this will be move legally. but the politics surrounding this legal matter are increasingly weighty and predictable on the left. and on the right, they are increasingly incoherent and low-rent and even occasionally

. >> don't tell tony perkins because today he was on a sunday show and he basically said that if themoderate on these social issues like gay marriage and this is the text of what he said, evangelicals will it is the elections out come completely or move to create a third party. >> lot of them sat out this past election. >> they already have -- these -- look at the agenda everyone is talking about. immigration is not unserious, i agree, but gay marriage, all this stuff, nothing about the economy. nothing that affects peoples lives. they do nut have a message. the deals of ordinary americans right now, they are paying a huge price. >> pat is right we have three parties, the party. bundlers and big donors, we have the establishment country club republicans and as john said, the tea party. they do not get along l is no message. pat is right. highest negative of all time, bottom line the only thing that president obama and the democrats have going for them is the republicans. >> but they not just better off. >> there are new signs this week that hillary clinton may want to consider runnin

joining me now, tony perkins, president of the family search council. thanks for joining us today. >> good afternoon. >> this is a very, very difficult, delicate balance for a lot of family who is say, this is not something that i have believed in. my religion doesn't agree with this. but this is my child. and now i see it differently. >> shannon, that's right. i support senator portman for his very public display of his unconditional love for his son. i mean, as a parent myself, i think the worst thing we can do in any circumstance is to reject our child. not only is that counter productive to them, it's counter productive to society. and it does run counter to the christian ethic that under girds our society. but as you said, inconditional love is not the same as unconditional support. and in this case, the senator has kind of, i think, mixed the two or confused the two and has changed his public policy position on something where the evidence is overwhelming. children do best with a mom and a dad. so i commend him on one hand. but i am concerned abou

stephanie: social conservatives increasingly skeptical that justice roberts will follow the ruling -- tony perkins >> conservatives are going to hate him no matter what he does. >> yep. >> stephanie: gary bower jim. [♪ mysterious music ♪] >> they are never going to hate him like they sated suitor. >> stephanie: he is the president of american values. he is in charge of all of them? really? >> american values as defined by gary bauer. the incredibly heterosexual gary bower. [♪ mysterious music ♪] >> stephanie: -- >> i don't know if that corpse is fresh enough to eat. >> stephanie: he said if roberts doesn't vote with other conservative justices on another major issue, then i think the whole makeup of the conservative supreme court would be in question? >> finally you have one reason for the conservatives to blame bush. >> the supreme court wears makeup, what? >> all right. back with the remaining moments of fridays with fugelsang on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: call stephanie now. she's easy. 1-800-steph-1-2. ♪ care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a

. >> stephanie: and then you talk about tony perkins one of our favorites. [♪ "psycho" scary music ♪]n a frumpy frock, and kitchen knife. >> yeah. >> stephanie: and you say the polls are skewed again -- >> yeah, again. >> stephanie: and you say if all of those people believed that why didn't they vote for willard romney those damn turn coats. >> exactly. >> stephanie: and then your summation i love. you say it's not about marriage. it's about the marriage alter, no it's about men and women and their peep peeps, and who has. well aid said. >> thank you. it's a good day when you can get who ha in print. >> and esquire is just the place for that word. >> exactly. >> stephanie: and he had the lovely and talented wayne lapierre on meteet the press. >> yeah wayne is getting more interesting by the day, and it's about rich moneybags michael bloomberg coming to you now and guying things >> stephanie: i love that you call him special guest crazeoid. and hey joe mansion and all of you could -- cowardly democrats pay attention. >> yeah. we didn't really want to line up with the other guys, no yo

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you'll think it is someone like brian fisher from the american family association or tony perkins or of these guys. no, no no, this is justice scalia. he's on our court. let's go through some of these. he's compared -- this is from all of his different opinions. he's compared gay people to murderers, homosexuality to polygamy to cruelty to animals drug addicts smokers prostitution, heroin use incest adultery, obscenity child pornography bestiality and it is just like having a roommate. >> bill: like having a roommate. >> same thing. the roommates he has? where did he go to school? >> bill: i think he's got a little homophobia. >> little problem there yeah. so him and alito are the two that will be the hardest to move. >> bill: not thomas? >> thomas if you make the federalism that the government is overreaching, federal government is overreaching, he might strike doma on that ground. >> bill: today and tomorrow. prop 8 today. doma tomorrow. the united states supreme court. i want to ask you about you've also talked about and written about this interview yesterday. "the today show" air

. >> tony perkins would have something to say about that. >> stephanie: by the way speak of which didlture? i think we know the answer to that. >> well, yeah. no doubt. but it is all based on love. everybody loves each other and so whatever happens is fine. >> every time you talk about -- >> i love my -- it loves me back. if i could marry my sofa, i might think about it. >> he sounds high or something. >> stephanie: i do not think his sofa loves him. [ screaming ] >> stephanie: wow. it is bad analogy week, isn't it? >> end of a long week for rush. >> there was karl rove on this week saying he can see a republican nominee the next republican nominee sporting gay marriage. so this whole -- whether you're talking about immigration or gay rights, the whole thing has completely surpassed the rush limbaughs and fox newses of the world. they're waging this losing battle. if you listen to rush, they're not trying anymore. the poll numbers last week on gay marriage were just kind of amazing compared to ten years ago. and you know, they can see the writing on the wall. this is a social movement

tony perkins, a member of a christian conservative activist groups said this -- if they abandon marriage as an issue, evangelicals will set out the election completely or move to create a third party, either option putting the republicans on a path to a permanent minority." what about these twitter messages, talking about how cpac was a conservative event and chris christie is not a conservative. here we have the same thing from sandy beach -- guest: see, you know nothing about me and you are making an assumption because i am talking about expanding the party. you will find i am more conservative than you. it is how you talk about it and express it. by expressing it in a way where people feel welcome to, that is a good thing. it is an opportunity for them to get in the room and experience the full breath of what they believe. i would never call you a moshi moderate for disagreeing with me about my view on abortion. i am pro-life, i support marriage between a man and woman. does that make me more or less conservative or moderate? at the same time that i say that, i talk about taking a loo

>> i think that's exactly what tony perkins was doing there. he needed to be heard.ke huckabee made a similar suggestion. as we know, he does a lot of tv on another network. >> very good point. let's talk about ben carson here, rising star in the republican party, johns hopkins neurosurgeon. he apologized on "andrea mitchell reports" yesterday after he mentioned same-sex marriage, pedophilia, bestiality, all in the same sentence. he pretty much said they were all kind of the same thing. he said that he's ready to withdraw as commencement speaker at the university. who would comments like this one -- how do they hurt the gop's idea of inclusiveness? >> well, it illustrates that the arguments opposing gay marriage are ridiculous. and now when you hear him talk about bestiality and pedophilia in the same sentence with two consenting adults who love each other and want a long-term committed relationship that is recognized by the federal government, i mean, there could be not two things that are more different. i mean, he's the best living, breathing example of what's wro

host: you mentioned comment that's former huckabee made and also tony perkins leadings conservative tape. here is rush limbaugh. that conservatives have lost the gay marriage debate. the issue is lost he said. i don't care what the supreme court does, this is inevitable and it's inevitable because we lost the language on this. limbaugh added that conservatives lost the debate because they allowed the term marriage to be bastardize. what does that mean to you? >> it mean to me they see the writing on the wall in regards to this issue. what's interesting when you talk about rush limbaugh's comments, he's not talking about abandoning the party. he's not talking about civil marriage for committed same sex couples being a threat to america he sees that committed same sex couple have won this argument. bill oriley was talking about messaging. he mentioned that the fact is the only message the opposition has is thumping their bibles. the fact is, yes, we're winning the messaging war on this and the fact is, you cannot deny that committed same sex couples simply want equal protection when it com