we'll have tony perkins on in a minute. >> great to be here. >> i will ask tony perkins the same question. why can't those who believe -- i will ask the other way. why can want those who think homosexuality is a sin say so. >> they cannot do so in a sack yoom. this is not an issue of free speech. defenders of phil robertson want free dom from consequence. if i were to say shg to you completely outlandish g.l.a.d. would not allow me on your air again. if you were to say something outlandish fox news may put you on hiatus. we have to answer to our employer. >> let's get specific. with all due respect to the viewers at home. g.l.a.d. said his lies and he decided to push vile and extreme stereotypes. get specific about it. >> please hide your children's ears. he said that someone like me is equivalent of someone who has sexual intercourse with animals. >> let me show the viewers. gq asked what is sinful. he said start with homosexual behavior and morph out from there. beast yal ti, sleeping around with this woman and that man. some say he's saying what's sinful and he gave a list. >> he menti

in the meantime, tony perkins from the family research council joins us now. good to see you. are you t at all surprised by the about-face by a&e? >> not completely. it's come quicker than we thought. obviously this is a good day. good news coming to the millions of fans of "duck dynasty." also it's good news for christians who feel they have had to supress their faith, their belief in the bible. and its truth as it pertains to morality. this shows if you stand up to cultural bullies they have to back down. >> there's been a conversation ongoing about those who because of religious faith or conviction believe in traditional marriage. they oppose homosexuality and the freedom to say it or not. where does the line on tolerance end. does it only work in one direction. there is a lot of heat but it seems this case has been a little bit of a tipping point in the cultural conversation. >> there are lessons to be learned from the cultural elite from a&e and those types and the folks in the red states aren't just consumers of products but they are people who believe very deeply and wi

. >>> with me is president of the family research counsel, tony perkins and one of the world's leading branding experts, bruce dracel. they say that suspending robertson was a brazen act of anti-christian bigotry. was it? >> well, first off let me say that i think ducks are probably down with your suggestion it is all about the ducks. >> that was good. ducks are down. that's good. >> look. i think what it is is there's a growing hostility to anyone who speaks out publicly about a politically incorrect topic. and we're seeing this increasingly. we are seeing people that are targeted for their religious views. we saw just, you know, in this comes in the context of legal cases. this is not a legal case, obviously. we saw a couple of weeks ago a colorado baker forced by the court to participate in same-sex weddings even though he has a religious objection and photographers the same way and follows in a string of those like g.l.a.d. wanting to target anyone who says, hey, i have a traditional view of morality and i see natural marriage as a marria union of a man and a woman. >> bruce, let m

we have glad on "duck dynasty" and tony perkins of the family research council. >> there she is at thecommander of the guantanamo bay bay for terrorists takes down nativity it scenes and other signs of christmas. wait until you hear why. civilians on that bation in cuba. and most of them like to cele >>> most of them like to celebrate christmas with decorations. now the head of the base has removed christmas decorations. are you behind this, mr. weinstein. >> will, not to use loaded questions, we had 18 members of the united states military come to us. they came to us because they were very, very upset and concerned about what they viewed as a violation of their civil rights. they came to us and that's the reason over 35,000 members of the military have come to us. we went to the pentagon. we made it clear that we thought it was completely unlawful. and as they have done in the past, the pentagon thought about it and agreed with us. we don't have mrff storm troopers to invade guantanamo. >> calm down, calm down heerks. storm troopers. ridiculous. the 18 complained to you. did you relea

we have glad on "duck dynasty" and tony perkins of the family research council. >> there she is at theterrorists takes down nativity it scenes and other signs of christmas. wait until you hear why. we are coming right back. itussi. fast, powerful cough relief that helps you sleep like a baby. robitussin nighttime. don't suffer the coughequences. ick with innovation. stick with power. sleep like a baby. stick with technology. get the new flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare. eigh bells♪ there's still time for great deals on great gifts at bass pro shops and basspro.com. like redhead sherpa lined buffalo flannel shirts for under $20. redhead men's lodge mocs for under $20. and jumbo adventure play sets for under $35. plus kids can get a free picture with santa. civilians on that bation in cuba. and most of them like to celebrate christmas with decorations. but now the gitmo commander dr. john nettleton has ordered two nativity scenes removed from dining halls. this after some complaints. joining us from albuquerque, new mexico. mikey weinstein. military

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getting all sorts of people to respond, including politicians and also the family research council, tony perkins a guy you know very well has this to say about the new ruling by a&e. >> obviously this is a good day, good news coming to the fans, the millions of fans of "duck dynasty" but also, i would say, it's good news for christians out there who feel like they have had to suppress their faith, their belief in the bible, and its truth as it pertains to morality. this shows that if you stand up to these cultural bullies, they have to back down. there are some lessons to be learned here. i think there are lessons to be learned from the cultural elite, from a&e and those types that those folks in the red states are not just consumers of their products but these are people who believe very deeply, with moral truths. they are christians who want to live out their faith and so i think they have to realize they are not going to change what they believe in. >> this is really quite a phenomenon. it went from talking about social issues to really became political, you couldn't look at emails and facebo