out front now tony perkins. back. >> thank you. >> you used mulligan to talk about this. and recent allegations involve an allegations with porn star that ghana few months after his wife gave births, president's wife, and president's personal attorney paying off the porn star for his silence. and you say you get a mulligan here. i'm quoting you. why? >> if this behavior were occurring today right now has he was president of the united states i can assure you that my support and support of evangelical would be dissipating very rapidly. but talking about something that occurred ten years ago. among a number of things that occurred with this president prior to being president, and myself, along with a lot of of evangelicals were not support. in fact, icam pained with his supporters, down to he and hi hillary clinton, he wanted the support of evangelical. i'm picking a pro life conservative running mate and embraced himself in the conservative party platform ever. and yes evangelical, conservatives gave him a mullig

that's where tony perkins -- >> agree. >> he talked about repentance, also.ference about trump is a changed man. in what respect? he's never asked for forgiveness, he's never asked for -- engaged in repentance. that's where it comes in, you repent and change your behavior. what has trump down to change his behavior. people are making excuses here? >> i'm not defending the behavior. i said this at the beginning. i'll say it again. this is the problem i have with evangelical pastors and others weighing in on politics. >> i get it. you don't want them to, but they do weigh in on politics. why don't you want to call that hypocritical? >> there's one thing to weigh in on a moral issue or an issue that deals with politics. abortion is a great example of that. i have no problem with a pastor talking about that issue. but if you're going to come out and use the word mulligan on an individual because either, a, you're close to him or, b, because you backed him and don't want to 'embarrass yourself per se, that's where it becomes a real problem and you lose the high mo

anyway, boy this is last 11:00 newscast tony perkins you'll be joining with us.al important. >> feels strange yes i'm leaving nighttime. >> not leaving "fox5". you can catch him friday and saturday morning. >> on good day starting next friday and saturday mornings on "fox news morning" with annie yu. >> on saturday mornings. >> saturday mornings looking forward to that and starting tuesday monday through friday with donny simpson magic 10239 we reunite after all these years i'm going to miss you. >> i'm >> i always said you have a face for video tony. >> you too. >> jim is next >> ahead tonight on final five the white house is not blowing up the the iran deal at least not yet. new report shows north korea is preparing for are more nuclear tests and russian hackers setting sights on we'll test out the diet and workout plan of the president. this is the final five on friday. let's do this. >> what i week. what a week. hey we'll wrap it up on "the final 5". we learned president paid hush money to a important star to get her to stay quiet of a

ucf has good a crime as any 2459 is ever i'm awarding university of central florida "fox5" tony perkinsonship trophy. danny white the athletic director at ucf come claim your 2r06 he you can have it at your parade in disneyworld we don't recognize it because ucf beat the team that beat both sfwlem that's true. >> this lovely trophy. >> this is old. >> it's dusty though. >> it's a little dusty because nobody ever dleepd before. >> it's been sitting in the basement for years. >> just like tony perkins it's all dusty. >> he could not resist. >> however you said it's memorial. i'm not dead. >> it's going to break, oh, [ laughter ]. >> don't worry we don't know what it's >> oh, >> this is why you're leaving. >> when you can't be trust add around anything. >> tony perkins ruins everything. >> ah, >> oh, my gosh. >> congratulations ucf. >> all right. >> coming up next at 11. >> a mother is claiming the d.c. police officers knocked over a young boy during protest on inauguration day and now she's suing coming up from her next. >> two disturbing murder mysteries and question tonight is are they

i can't comment if it is going to be a trend but i can say that tony perkins and dr. graham's comments said he is someone different than he was back then and move forward. >> i wonder if what's happening now is similar to what happened with feminist leaders in the bill clinton administration. >> that's part of the calculation. many conservatives feel like, we had a fight over whether character mattered in this way and the verdict was resoundingly that it did not and clinton remains one of our most popular presidents. so we're going to play on the same field. and i think they lose some moral authority in some of the ways they talk about it. redemption is real. the way they talk about it throws me off but tinlds calculation that was made. and it ganl with some of the clinton stuff. >> it there are huge issues on the table. we're talking about, still we have a very, very dangerous situation in north korea. a very aggressive russian state. we have a lot of big things we need on deal with as a presidency and i think americans are worried about those. >> got it. thank you o

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so right now when tony perkins who, by the way, i grew up with these guys. i knew tony. into politics because of my evangelist father francis schaeffer who challenged him to take a stand against these issues. he seems to have forgotten the basis of christian theology which is to be forgiven in this tradition, you need to confess first. donald trump never confesses to anything. the one time he apologized for molesting a woman in a criminal assault which was caught on tape, he tried to take the tape back, said he would sue the women who claim he assaulted them and call them all liars. this is not a confession. tony perkins forgot his own theology and replaced it with a theology of revenge on people he disagrees with politically. that's what's going on here. revenge of white american, evangelical right-wingers and who they want to punch in the mouth is not just black americans, to put it in the president of the united states' words, who live in shit hole countries. so they're willing to put up with anything when it comes to moral degradation to see those ends achieved. i'm

tony perkins this is his final 10:00 newscast us with.u're not leaving. >> no, no, no, some people think i am. i'm still with fox. part time. friday mornings, saturday mornings, starting next fr friday. and i'm leaving nights so i can join donny simpson at magic 10239 in the afternoons starting next tuesday. so i can -- why are you all giggling. >> my shoulder -- >> you're explain what you're doing with career and sarah you have a ginger creeping in on your shot >> i'm not sure how i feel. you're smiley and giddy. see donny next week see you shawn. >> no i'm going to miss you guys. this has been a joy, humbling experience to come to night and be the serious late-night anchorman. it was a challenge. i took it on. we've been very successful. thanks to a team that we have. and i'm honored and humbled to have done it and i love sitting next to you. >> i appreciate. it i said i was not going to do this. now i feel like a sucker tonight. thank you so much. it's been great. i'm so glad you're not leaving "fox5" you're just changing time shoyvts

people are wondering how the event jellicoe skins and can continue to support mr trump and tony perkins head of the very conservative christian family research council says a van jelling bills are willing to give trump a do over on bad behavior like that alleged fear as long as he delivers on policy. connie is they have parker see here. yeah i mean look it's certainly bothersome the notion that you would be able to basically i think the interview said in the interview i think mr perkins said that the president gets a mulligan on this one and i you know that's not a slave the way that i see it from a personal behavior point of view but this brings to light larry a very important point which is that for many conservatives the behavior or the nature of the way president trump conducts himself has been separated or divorced from the policy and i think at the end of the day that is something which is a very important distinction because while people will continue to talk about the character and about the things that the president has done in his personal life the reality is what we're all le

>> it's franklin graham and tony perkins, the same politicized group, like rick warren, there are manyible churches around the country where those leaders, they aren't part of the political soup. >> 61% of white evangelicals. >> support the president. support the president. >> still support him. >> that's personally. that doesn't mean they support this kind of behavior. >> look, look, look, to put a pin in it, i think we need to recognize the fact faith is bigger in politics, it always is meant to be. we too often bought into an idea that, you know, that the bible and the american flag are the purveyors of one political party, that's definitionally not so. while the individual leaders i think sell their souls to defend whatever their president seems to do, even if it contradicts all their values, the faith community is bigger, it's more robust and it should transcend politics and the vast majority of folks it does. >> people have used scripture and the bible to sort of wrap themselves in hypocrisy. >> uh-huh. >> and bigotry forever. >> yep. >> it's kind of -- it's sad because that's no

it's problematic that's what we're they're doing with tony perkins. keep his cardboard cutout around. >> that's a great idea. thank you rch. >> there's been so much hyper about a potential oprah capped das i following her speech best ticketed event, my best friend gail. you got to be better on that, she said this morning, oprah is intrigued by the idea of a presidential run. president trump also said he doesn't think oprah will run, but if she does, he said bring it on. oprah would be a lot of fun. i know of her very well. i did one of her last shows. she had donald trump, this is before politics. she had donald trump and my family. i was are nice. i like oprah. i don't think she's going to run. >> while we're talking about presidential candidates, rose and bar -- she is rose and bar again. she was rose and around and now she's back to bar again she claimed she would be a better trump than donald trump. she will be using demonstrate why many blue collar s backed the president. rose and actually did run for president in 2012 winning more than 48,000 vo

that's the tony perkins, he gets the job right. i'm still part of the fox5 morning, friday and saturday mornings. >> they're very lucky to have you back. shawn, your turn tomorrow night. >> sue shawn and i will be together tomorrow. a professor at arizona state university is getting $6.4 million to test, this is great, a k9 cancer vaccine. steven johnson has been working on the vaccine for ten years. it's already been tested on myself. the goal is to prevent all types of cancer in dogs. at least 800 dogs will take part in the testing. a warning tonight for parents about a bizarre challenge on social media. it is called the tied pods challenge. they're putting the pods in their mouth experts warn that causing even a small amount of diarrhea will cause diarrhea and vomiting. new england woman to sell her wedding dress trade me, on the web side trade me she said it it was only worn once by mistake. the dress is stunning. but while it was a good choice her groom wasn't so great. right now the dress has more than 30 bidders and is going

you had, for example, one, the family research council leader tony perkins, say, well, the presidenterves a mulligan, which is sort of a pass in golf. billy graham's son said, well, you know, when you get to be the age of 70, donald trump is a different man than he was four years ago and he's much wiser now. so i do think there's the sense that as long as he's continuing to appoint conservative judges and goes and speaks live to the march of life rallies like he did last weekend, this president can get a pass on embarrassing his wife and doing pretty much almost anything. >> you mentioned franklin graham, that was part of an interview i conducted with him last week. let's play part of that and specifically what he responded when he asked about these reports. here it is. >> now, did he have an affair with this woman? i have no clue. but i believe that 70 years of age, the president is a much different person today than he was four years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, whatever. and we just have to give the man the benefit of the doubt. he says he didn't do it. so okay, let's say h

people are wondering how the evangelicals finches to continue to support research from tony perkins head of the very conservative christian family research council says evangeline's rules are willing to give trump a do over on bad behavior like that alleged as long as he delivers on policy. parkers the here. yeah i mean look it's certainly bothersome the notion that you would be able to basically i think the interview said in the interview i think mr perkins said that the president gets a mulligan on this one and i you know that's not to say the way that i see it from a personal behavior point of view but this brings to light larry a very important point which is that for many conservatives the behavior or the nature of the way president trump conducts himself has been separated or divorced from the policy and i think at the end of the day that is something which is a very important distinction because while people will continue to talk about the character and about the things that the president has done in his personal life the reality is what we're all left with as a country is actuall

. >> reporter: tony perkins, leader of the family research council, said trump is providing the leadershipis movement needs. and frankly graham, who said bill clinton should resign, said the same thing on msnbc. >> we don't hold him up as the pastor of this country, and he's not. but i appreciate the fact that the president does have a concern for christian values. >> obviously when democrats crossed ethical lines, it was easy to criticize them. but they did make character an issue. that was one of the hallmarks of the evangelical christian movement. what they did with president trump is to throw that out the window. >> reporter: michael cohen never denied making a payment to her, but says that common cause complaint is baseless, as is the allegation that president trump filed a false report with the federal elections commission. but we have other questions for cohen, specifically just where did the reported money paid to daniels come from? from the trump organization, trump's personal funds, the trump campaign, a donor or from michael cohen himself? cohen did not get back to us regarding

. >> franklin gram and tony perkins. and this. the same politicized group. rick warren.y churches where the leaders are part of the political group. >> 61% of white evangelicals. that's the lathes sfwl support the president. >> that's personally. that doesn't mean they support the behavior. >> we need to recognize the faith is bigger in politics. we have too often bought into an idea that the bible and the american flag are the one political party. that's not so. while these individual leaders i think sell their souls to defend whatever the president seems to do. even if it contradicts values. it should transcend politics. >> people use scripture and the bible to wrap themselves in hypocrisy. and bigotry. forever. it's sad that's not what the bible is for. i want to move on. i want to talk about this. i want to show you this photograph. this is vice president pence tweeting this out today. it says great work by the fall 2017 page class who graduate this week and return to their homes across the country. spoke about their work on the hill and what they plan to do to help

story, and that's president of the family research council, and grown-up kid from "jurassic park," tony perkinsen it comes to the stormy daniels controversy: >> we kind of gave him-- all right, you get a mulligan. you get a do-over here. >> stephen: yes, a mulligan! because marriage is like golf, both things trump claims to love but constantly cheats on. ( laughter ) >> stephen: allegedly! allegedly! allegedly! i have no proof he cheats at golf. ( laughter ) so the family research council is giving trump a pass on his affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth. you know, family values. like it says right there in the ten commandments: "thou shalt not commit adultery, unless she's a pro with huge cans. up top, moses!" we've got a great show for you tonight. john dickerson is here. but when we return ♪ oscar, oscar stick around. this is debbie. she has... fomo! mmhm. because she doesn't have sprint unlimited that now includes hulu. wait, what am i missing? who is that? that's the you who has sprint and hulu and can stream the shows everyone's talking about. and uh...she got rid of he

. >> they believe with leader toni perkins as long as trump keeps pushing forward his con sefbtive agendadeserves a pass or quote mulligan as perkins puts it. >> mercy and grace. that's what those preachers and pastorses represent grace. they use the word mulligan. >> i never heard that term before. >> randy, we all have gotten a mulligan because of the christ jesus. that's the bottom line. >> these women also agree with reverend franklin graham who says donald trump is a changed man. >> this man who is a successful businessman did not have those people praying no him daily like now. he has transformed even in the year we have seen him. >> absolutely. >> from a brash new york person to the president that we are proud of today. >> i think we are all different people today than we were in 2006. he is a father, a grandfather. when you have children the way you look at the world changes. >> when you look at evangelical christianity, it is about family, being faithful, and yet this doesn't seem to bother any of you? >> well you know what bothers me are the stories that detract from the good th

we heard him interviewing tony perkins and isaac, fascinating interview.o you think his claim, i want to zero in on if he went back to this. let's say something like this happened in the white house and evangelical support wouldn't be there. i don't believe him, do you? >> you could question whether that refers to the sexual proclivities of trump in the past. let's look at the charlottesville incident where there were questions what kind of moral leadership is coming out of president trump. that's something as president that is after the point where a lot of evangelical leaders said they were not counting. what is the response there? he did not change the level of support among leaders for him and in fact, you see the strengthening of support among evangelical leaders that point to things like policy on abortion and the mexico city letter and say they are happy getting that and it means more to get that than immigration where you see evangelical leaders, including some on the advisory counsel saying that they are not happy with what is going on with the d.

. >> let me add, to what april's saying, we saw this last week from tony perkins, head of the family research council. a lot of social conservatives, hard-core conservatives, look at donald trump as the vessel. the vessel to get what they want done. and they will turn a blind eye to other things. we saw that happen -- >> marriage, anti-abortion, no taxes, all that kind of stuff. >> right. so walk us through this. the president has five days to review the nunes memo. so they repeatedly indicated they wanted the memo out. where do we stand? this memo is probably going to be released. >> likely. >> what's the impact? >> the impact is that you have a situation, imagine as a federal prosecutor, you'd be able to write a memo to the jury and tell them why you think a defendant's guilty, not allow the defense to issue their side of it, not show the evidence to anybody, not review it yourself, then be able to say with a wink and a nod, trust me, believe whatever is in it. what you have here is the acceleration of hypocrisy. you have people saying, i'd like you to go by innuendo alone and cond

. >> reporter: they agree with evangelical leader tony perkins that as long as trump keeps pushing forwardis conservative agenda, he deserves a pass, or, quote, a mulligan, as they put it. >> that's what those creatures and pastors represent is grace. >> reporter: so a mulligan is grace. >> i've never really heard that term before. randi, we all have gotten a mulligan because of christ jesus. so that's the bottom line. >> reporter: and these women also agree with reverend franklin graham, who says donald trump is a changed man. >> this man, who is a successful businessman, did not have those people praying for him daily as he does now. he has transformed even in the year we've seen him from a brash new york person to the president that we are proud of today. >> i think we're all different people today than we were in 2006. he's a father, he's a grandfather. when you have children, the way you look at the world changes. >> reporter: but when you look at evangelical christianity, it's about family, it's about being faithful, yet this doesn't seem to bother any of you. >> you know what bother

here is right-wing christian conservative tony perkins explaining why right wing christian conservativesm to have no problem with this kind of thing. >> evangelicals did not vote for donald trump based on his moral qualifications, but based upon what he said he was going to do and who he was surrounding himself with. evangelical support is not unconditional. if the president were to all of the sudden revert back to some of that behavior as president, the evangelical support will not be there for him. so it's basically -- we kind of gave him, all right, you get a mulligan you. get a do-over here. >> gene robinson. >> whoa. >> is back with us. gene, please don't use any golf terminology, because i really don't understand that stuff. so this $130,000, if that came out of trump businesses to make that payment, that is a campaign finance violation. >> yeah. >> and it's also a campaign violation if it came out of donald trump's pocket because he didn't report it as a campaign contribution. >> that's correct. so, you know, it is that old phrase, never said by deep throat, follow the money. it i

i want you to listen to two prominent evangelical leader, jerry falwell and tony perkins address these. >> he's not the same person now that he was back then. i believe that he has changed. what they don't understand about evangelicals is our whole faith is based on the theology of forgiveness. >> if this behavior were occurring today right now as he is president of the united states, i can assure you that my support and the support of evangelicals would be dissipating very rapidly. but we're talking about something that occurred ten years ago. evangelicals understand what a second chance means. >> vice president may be the most prominent evangelical politician in the country. in your conversations with him, is that his attitude towards the president? does he chair swhair we just heard? >> like you said, the campaign back then denied this and the person involved denied this and the president's lawyer denied this. what the vice president is a looking at, look at the record of accomplishment. the president has nominated and had confirm in order conservative judges, stood for the right to

politico chief washington correspondent and host of the op-ed message podcast talked to tony perkins,sident of the family research council about how he reconciles this new claim with his faith. >> we kind of gave him, all right, you get a mull began. you get a do over here. >> edward isaac dovere, it was an interesting interview to say the least. we talked to the white house. we talked to michael cone. neither of them acknowledged the payment. they deny that the president ever did have an affair. but a mulligan? give us a little broader context of what perkins had to say. >> well, look, this was for an interview that covered a lot of ground. and you can hear it all in the message podcast. what i was asking him was, how do you as an evangelical leader reconcile not just the stormy daniels incident, but all the things that would seem to call into question the moral connection that evangelicals might make to president trump with the massive support that among evangelicals overall and certainly evangelical leaders still exists. and what he said was they are focused on the policy. and when

well, tony perkins, president of the family research council, was asked about it on tuesday, and thisk you. he's suddenly a lot more chill about all that family values stuff. >> if the president were to all of a sudden revert back to some of that behavior as president, the evangelical support will not be there for him. so, it's based on, we kind of gave him, all right, you get a mulligan. you get a do-over here. >> seth: ah, yes. [ light laughter ] it just like jesus said to the apostles when they found him in a strip club. "bros, i'm gonna need a mulligan on this one. [ laughter ] you got me. now i'm gonna need a mulligan." [ applause ] so why? why are evangelical voters overwhelmingly sticking with trump, despite his apparent contempt for the values they claim to believe in? well, true to the teachings of jesus, perkins said evangelicals like trump because he fights with people. >> they were tired of being kicked around by barack obama and his leftists. and i think they are finally glad that there's somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully. and -- >> even though

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family research council, tony perkins. a tremendous pro-life, pro-life warrior. and we know that because his office has been targeted and they face violence. tony doesn't blink. he is a former marine. ridden the road together and been out there in those battles and they are a strong, strong pro-life organization. susan b. anthony list, another one of the top three. and that's led by marjorie, who has a terrific heart and very driven and terrific memory about the components of the movement. and her side kick is even closer friend, marilyn musgrave. and she was a mentor to me and braced me sometimes when i was trying to make sense of things that didn't make sense. and i count them as friends and pro-life warriors and terrific workers and people that are go-to people that i count on keeping things on the rails while i'm distracted with other things. we are almost always on the same page. the other organization is the national right to life. national right to life has been granted a defacto veto power to the effect of it is to olympic a bill from coming to the floor o