with us now is the mayor of brownsville, tony martinez, and the city's chief of police, orlando rodriguez that this enormous children's shelter was powerless to stop kids from just walking out the door? can you guys hear me? >> i can hear you. >> okay, so chief, let me ask you that same question. did you know that kids were allowed to just leave if they chose to do so? >> actually, no. this is kind of a surprise to me and to my department. that's not the information that we had. but we have it now, which was -- we found it to be a little bit interesting because we got a call yesterday and that of course started things in motion. but now we do know that that is the policy. >> what can you tell us about this boy who went missing from the shelter? >> well, we do know that he was a 15-year-old boy that was actually placed here pending establishing of relatives here in north texas. which apparently he was being held here in this holding facility. it's more -- we see it now as a placement facility where he was awaiting the outcome of his petition to be placed here. when that didn't work out, we