we turn to our friend former trump co-author tony schwartz. ipt a lot of donald trump's mythology in "dealing with the devil my mother, trump and me." good evening, tony. >> good evening to you, ari. >> it is true measurably so that he's doing things that hurt himself. have you seen this before? >> well, this is completely predictable particularly when he's feeling the threat of losing in a really significant way. trump knows that there is a good chance he's going to lose, and that is both terrifying to him but also directs his behavior. so the reason that trump is doing things that are self-destructive starts with his relationship to covid. he treats covid as just another opponent, just another enemy to be vanquished, enemy to be vanquished, not the virus but the idea the virus is more powerful t

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schwartz and the author of "dealing with the devil," tony schwartz and with me, tim o'brien at "bloombergd that trump and his company profited individual seeking and many cases receiving lucrative deals from the local government. if the reporting is accurate. is there any way the president can be held accountable monetizing the office of the presiden presidency. >> well, the reporting is entirely accurate, he not only r reinvented the swamp and filling it with bigger alligators. he's been doing this from the moment he was elected until now. i have written quite a bit of this and a lot of reporters have. the "times" report of a comprehensive account. the framer of the constitution would never imagine that someone would get into the oval office with the kind of wealth that trump had, and lack of respect of the rule of law and willing necessary to corrupt to the people around him. federal law gets the president a lot of leeway around the c conflicts of interests law. trump is well aware of that and throughout his administration, he made great claims about what he was going to do to run an et

tony schwartz was behind a lot of the lyndon johnson ads as you wrote about in your book, a different tactic by the goldwater campaign. >> when i look at the goldwater ads, i think about how embarrassingly atrocious they were. the goldwater team was not very impressive for all kinds of reasons, one of them being, goldwater being one of the reluctant candidates, he hired a lot of his friends who were not necessarily professional. that ad was written by the bbc. i interviewed one of the guys who produced one of the big goldwater ads which was goldwater talking to eisenhower. it was a total bust and they got lots of telegrams saying, i'm not going to give to this campaign again, that was such a bad commercial. the guy's name was chuck lichtenstein who is now passed away. he told me, i didn't have much experience with tv. i said, you mean you didn't produce many commercials? no, i never watched tv. >> we're going to be showing during the course of this evening some of the documentary that you put together, some of the original work, and you worked with barry goldwater for how long to get

i have politzer prize winning post columnist gene robinson and tony schwartz and i should mention the new audio book "dealing with the devil, my mother, trump and me" and political commentator and election expert sally cone. good to see all of you. gene, i start with you because i'll repeat it, at the risk of being a newscaster, i'll repeat it. the point is not that 2020 is 2016. but that we are not yet seeing the kind of leads that break away and it is interesting for whatever reasons to see the head of the biden campaign actually come out and make sure their own people know that tonight. gene? >> yeah, look, i think the huge and biggest mistake the biden campaign could make and biden supporters could make at this point is any sort of overconfidence, any sort of feeling that this is in the bag given all these good numbers. now we should be realistic. i mean, you know, four years ago at this point, we had just had the "access hollywood" tape and what had been a closer race seemed all of a sudden like the bottom has dropped out of donald trump support and then it came back up, right? s

like tony schwartz and many people that have been around trump at one point or another, you've eyed himeen him up close and cleared eyed and warned about many of your concerns as he's become a president. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> tony says that to understand many of tlurump's actions including many that are against his self-interest to say nothing of other people's lives, you have to understand that trump for all the bluster secretly, privately does assess some information. and tony thinks trump knows he is on a path to potentially losing and that's affecting him. do you share that analysis or how do you see it? >> yeah, it's funny. i've been thinking about it and i'm not sure trump thinks he's going to lose. he lives in this alternate universe he's created and i've watched it to know because i've known him for a long time. he can convince himself of basically anything. while he's, you know, white house insiders are saying he's afraid, i am convinced he doesn't think he'll lose. he has a split personality. he's bragging, up front, confident but very insecure and not conf

that ad was written and designed by what's his name -- >> tony schwartz. >> no. >> bill moyers. >> that's not true. that's absurd. >> no, no, let me finish. barry goldwater in my show is on camera. he said, yeah, bill moyer was behind that. okay. and he said i tried later, years later, afterwards to talk to bill moyers about it, because barry thought it was pretty rotten deal. and i tried to talk to bill moyers and bill moyers never returned my phone call. after barry passed away, susan, his second wife told me after, later, she said, you know, bill moyers was in town for something not related to politics and she had occasion to talk to him and bill moyers said to susan, this is susan saying this, she said bill moyers said yeah gee it was a shame i tried to get a hold of barry to talk to him about that a lot of times but we could just never meet up which susan was implying that was baloney. >> i can state categorically having read through every memo of how the advertisements were created in 1964, that bill moyers had nothing to do with creating that ad. >> he was white house press secreta