i was just looking at a painting that tony vinic gave us of duke ellington. that was a wonderful thing for him to do. i have the great opportunity to see him next week. i want people to see us as a place that is not always serious but a place that's fun to go, new exhibits are happening. and we are communicating with you in a way so it's a two-way street as opposed to in the past, you would come, we would tell you what to see. in the future because of the internet you will be able to tell us what you think and in some cases you will tell us something about an object that we didn't know about. >> wayne clough, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> we continue the conversation with brett zonker and stacy, what did you learn? >> i think we learned that wayne clough is a very good fundraiser. one of the things you could see about the way he talked, his passion, his love for the future. that's what will help the organization raise the money it needs to survive. the fact he said things were going well is a huge statement. in the nonprofit