kisd leave feeling inspierd by community and want to create communities like the one they have at toonga. >> so here we are in mid 2013, and camp towonga was founded in 1925, and the mission has not changed. so i -- i'm wondering what was going on, you think, in the founder's mind that they had this philosophy around jiesh summer camps in which self-esteem was to be enriched along with other thicks about what it means tosh to be a person in the world? >> good question. >> i think they were great people obviously. i think what it tells you is that the philosophy that jamie is articulating is today we would say it's scientifically sound. there's been enough research. we know that this kind of process works to raise uphill thi, happy children. they had great intuition back then. they just kind of got it, got the same scientific basis intuitively. >> it's fascinating because we live in a part of the country where weir constantly look for what's new on the edge of something, whether it's technology or business or social services or spirituality. here it is that the freshness of that vision fr