knew how topened, i sing in choir and church but i did not know how to sing in a studio. that is what they taught me to do. to be a studio singer. that is what i learned from darlene. a year later, bobby darin signed me to a record deal at 15 years old. by the time i got to ray charles, i thought i knew everything. i want to ask a follow-up on this. one of the things that we know that ray caught hell for was for taking the gospel sound that we all know -- i was raised in a church, new bethel. darlene was raised in a pentecostal family. my mother is a pentecostal minister to this day. i know this story. we need all that. hell for taking that gospel sound. everybody saw the movie and what he had to deal with. did either of you have misgivings about coming out of the church, coming out of the gospel tradition? making secular music? out.wanted we came from a family where we did not have a whole bunch of money. we had a lot of love. we had close to where -- clothes to wear. but my mother came out here by herself. my father said he wasn't coming. as a result of that, i knew tha