is holed up in tora bora we're under spells that rumsfeld then contacts general franks and says you've got to freshen the invasion plan for iraq franks was in the process of dealing with the tora bora case so there was a direct probably and i honestly don't think i mean even if you're in the pentagon some people are dealing with iraq while they're in tora bora i don't see a direct connection there but they'll be great but i don't see any time commitment let me answer to your question about waterboarding and it's you know bush had nothing to do with this that's not exactly clear at this point what we know is that a piece of the intelligence came from chaos and clean shaikh mohammad who was water boarded and it's very likely that a piece of that information it's actually during times of the information name of the name of the courier great come from. and it came during the stockholm syndrome style interrogations where you make friends with a guy you get him to talk this is explicitly now or in the press are this moment as we saw it i look at that time but i don't know if it's clear it's

the biggest in his presidency which was not dealing with that with the with osama bin laden but tora bora in the fall of two thousand and one after the invasion of afghanistan we are he was where the cia went in and begged president bush to provide a thousand marines to block the escape routes for been modern and he turned them down so the modern was able to escape that provided as you pointed out one of the major reasons that the u.s. was unable to attack iraq because the idea was that. the son of bin laden had some relationship with saddam hussein which wasn't really true but it was something that could be sold because the modern was still out there i mean for now that now that we know about him you know from from the historical record the people who were there were talking to george bush before even the supreme court appointed this president in two thousand that his plan was to invade iraq you know had three members of his cabinet now to write books say i mean the first cabinet meeting that was the first topic you brought up in the nine months before nine eleven i mean every what point

[ male announcer ] cardboard no, delicious yes. >> reporter: in the years after tora bora, bin ladenve vanished, appearing only in video messages that mysteriously materialize, but leave no trace of his whereabouts. general michael hayden headed up the cia at the time. >> for most of my time in office, i would even publically say that the trail was quite cold. we didn't have a whole lot of evidence in which we had much confidence. >> reporter: tough interrogations of al qaeda detainees, some at secret prisons, begin to provide the clues that will lead to a compound in pakistan, the mansion hideout of osama bin laden. >> we began to focus, drill down on the courier network as perhaps a way to chase after bin laden. we knew he was communicating, but we were convinced he could not possibly be communicating electronically or we would have picked that up. it had to be human-to-human contact, hence the courier system. >> amongst people detained soon after tora bora were ahmad al-katani. he tried to be the 20th hijacker but he was never admitted to the united states. >> reporter: according

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>> the united states was incredibly close at tora bora. there was so much criticism that the united states didn't follow through. they knew where osama bin laden was, but they didn't have the forces to actually close in and capture him and they allowed him to escape. but that right now seems almost like ancient history. the question now is how did they kill osama bin laden? and you mentioned just a short while ago, was it drone strikes? done strikes have been taking place for a long time, and the cia has been managing them, and i think an organization we're going to hear a lot about in the coming days is jsoc the joint special operations command. it's almost like the military's fifth branch of the military, army, air force, navy, marines and jsoc. and the global war on terrorism has created this organization as an incredibly powerful division of the u.s. military. so if the drone strikes took place, which are mostly organized by the cia, they likely wouldn't have the body. jsoc, which manages delta force, which manages the army rangers, th

he and tommy franks refused pleas to provide more military force at tora bora. if they had done so we would have nailed osama bin laden in >> 2002. so, it's rich now for them to be trying to claim credit for this. >> didn't want to suffer too many casualties going through the mountains there? that's what i thought, right? >> right. >> wait a minute, we won't close the back door on the guy and he gets away. my larger complaint we get to josh, my larger complaint they went wrong way like on a football field, run wag to get a touchdown, catch bin laden, wait a minute, run the other goal post, they run the other way, and they go to war in iraq, nothing do with this guy. thousands and thousands of people, waste years and years, nothing to do with what happened this week. did you see we did this thing? no, you didn't, you went to the other goal post, went the other direction. you thought getting saddam hussein was the name of the game. your point, josh? >> there was what happened to in tora bora, the large refocusing of attention on iraq back the end of -- back the en

the generals, when we had bin laden caught in the tora bora mountains decided that it was bad public relations to lose our own troops, to do our own dirty work, if you will. and they found two afghan commanders to hire to go in the mountains to get him. gary was on the ground, sent the names back to us and we did the name traces -- my people did the name traces on the two gentlemen. both of them fought with bin laden against soviets and both of them were commanders for the local mujahedeen tribal chieftain who lived in the tora bora area. both of them were his commanders. so they were clearly going to be a day late and a dollar short. they took our money, and they were a day late and a dollar short and osama got away. and the only reason he did is we didn't use the 6,000 marines and the tenth mountain division that were nearby and eager to go. >> more questions. bill, if you can get this blue guy in the crew neck that had his hand up but didn't. >> i want to ask about bin laden. you said one of his issues was that we were exploiting the oil from the middle east. it seems to me that i

i think what happened in tora bora, we got into a tangled web of good intentions.o took over at some point. you also had cia members in there. everyone thought his death was imminent. i think we had a little bit of overconfidence at the time and then, of course, he slipped away. >> these u.s. military i assume that's the way that flew in. would they have u.s. military insignia, would they be painted like u.s. military helicopters, would they be neutral, or would they pretend to be pakistani helicopters, based on your experience? >> i think they were probably blacked out. you would probably black out the insignia before you went in on the mission or you would have some deception going. but i think that we didn't want to get too tricky here. this has been prerehearsed so it was clear cut in that way. >> there were two helicopters going into the compound. one of them failed but we're sold there was a third helicopter that assisted in getting the military personnel and bin laden's body out of there. that was smart to have a backup. they may have had more than one backu

problem are the muscles pulled out and when the muscle pulled out they had to go to the caves of tora bora to get peer. tended to the outside of people and they were only about people they were due for that since as your commentator mentioned the relevance of the given circumstances and the fact very very questionable ok ok but it would i don't have a bradley about that i mean after we did what we just heard here i mean right now and it was the death of. bin laden that's just a really good excuse and having nothing to do with really facts on the ground for obama to say to start pulling back from afghanistan he found a peg to hang his story on his his narrative because from what we just heard what happened last week outside of islamabad has really nothing to do with the war going on in afghanistan. it may or may not i think it's time for the president to be cautious you've heard his advisor his military advisors well his political advisors say that we're on track to withdraw however conditions on the ground will really determine ultimately what american policy will be so i think we have to

less than 90 days after 9/11 osama bin laden was trapped at tora bora in the mountains of afghanistan. and through sheer chain of command incompetence, the bush administration failed to order the lling of the most important target of their war on terror. when we ran the video last night of president bush saying he didn't care about catching osama bin laden not long after tora bora a veteran congresswoman was shocked. she didn't remember bush giving up on catching osama bin laden. much of the viewing audience was shocked too judged by comments online. it's worth listening to president bush on this point one more time. >> deep in my heart i know the man's on the run if he's alive at all. and i -- you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. we haven't heard from him in a long time. and the idea of focussing on one person is really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. terror is bigger than one person. and he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginized. -- marginalized. his network is destroyed. i don't know where he is. i don't spend much tim

." >> he was tracked down to the mountains of tora bora after u.s. forces had invaded afghanistan. b-52's bombed the caves he used to hide out, but he escaped over the border into pakistan's tribal areas, and the trail went cold. u.s. special forces found him, not in the tribal areas, but in the pakistani town of abbottabad. he was sheltering in this compound, filmed here after the u.s. raid. just down the road from a pakistani military base. >> it's an odd feeling in the ballpark right now, to be perfectly honest with you. some of the crowd chanting "u.s.a., u.s.a.." >> the news started spreading across the u.s., even before president obama spoke. crowds flocked to times square in new york. soldiers joining the celebrations. >> ♪ god bless america ♪ >> outside the white house, there were chants of "four more years" for obama. >> the crowds here outside the white house are growing all the time. there's a mood of huge euphoria and relief at what they just heard from president obama. to me, it t also brings back memories of being in the u.s. immediately after september 11 when it was

forces got closest to him in afghanistan, at tora bora, and he was able to, it was said, slip out the backdoor back in pakistan in that tribal rugged area where there was a bounty on his head of $25 million, yet nobody was turning him in. he was able to ied effectively. and it became a part of the political debate. why is it the u.s. can't get him? >> right. our colleague over in the political unit reminds me, today is the eighth anniversary of the president giving his infamous mission accomplished speech on that aircraft carrier. the politics of that and what is involved in this whole issue of getting this guy and him being the focus and focal point and the complicated diplomatic politics of the relationship of pakistan always made this tricky. and bin laden knew that and he was always able to take advantage of that. and it looks like hide in pakistan. it's as if we always knew where he was in general, just never specific enough to get someone in there. >> i interviewed the commander of the u.s. forces, general petraeus, now named to the head of the central intelligence agency. i ask

bare minimum there are perhaps about ten or twelve people the little hiding out in the caves of tora bora the last that i ever heard of anything happening with either with when we carried out the operation it would lead to start the told with you will be destroyed. in two thousand and eight. and. look who called nine probably a bigger problem and the most would point out that when the most pulled out they had to go to the caves of tora bora to get there. by the people and there were only about twenty odd people at that time they were due for the sims as your commentator mentioned the relevance of the given circumstances and the fact very very questionable ok ok if you would i would have rather a bradley about that i mean after we did what we just heard here i mean right now it with the death of. bin laden that's just a really good excuse and having nothing to do with the facts on the ground for obama to say to start pulling back from afghanistan he found a paid to hang his story on his his narrative because from what we just heard what happened last week outside of islamabad has really no

trial he rejected the advice of his intelligence advisors who said we had bin laden cornered in tora bora and posin marines could get in and of course book bush rejected the intelligence memo before nine eleven and said bin laden was determined to hijack planes and crash them into american built heck not only do i think president obama would have gotten better results than bush i think a toddler who got letters and that's very very. it only took two days for fox news to go after and boxes judgment policy hano the guy who's likely to replace glenn beck is leading the pack. the on the issue of whether the government is telling us the truth or pulling a fast what disabled bum was lousy presidency is the issue of the lawful power of the president to order someone killed i don't know if you don't show the face then you know who's to say what was in that bag do you believe he's dead it really you want some more evidence a photograph but testimony but i'm going to something other than that the words of a president whose words we have doubted before. so first these guys say there's a conspiracy a

there was the futile effort, the failed effort, in tora bora. for the last ten years, we have asked our intelligence sources off and on, what's the latest? have you heard any chatter? do you know where he is? is he in waziristan? is he in a cave somewhere? is he in afghanistan or pakistan, somewhere in the neverland, the ungovernable neverland? is he still in charge of al qaeda? and you ask such important questions, where is al zawahiri? how will al qaeda survive after this? but he is the central leader. he has been the central unifying dramatic figure of al qaeda for more than the last decade. and so this is a signature achievement. and the president of the united states would not walk into the white house briefing room late on a sunday night to say bin laden is dead unless the white house was absolutely certain that bin laden is dead. we don't know the next chapter of al qaeda. we don't know. but we do know tonight that a signature chapter of the terrorism movement that has devastated the united states, whether we're talking about kenya, wheth

i think obviously we've been trying to find him ever since he escaped tora bora in 2001 and we've been looking for him any time he was above ground and frankly, my sources have told me over the last several years we've been very close on a number of occasions, that we've carried out attacks that just missed him and that he wasn't completely hunkered down in the caves in waziristan, but he did venture out and go to meet people. >> let me pop in and say according to the associated press, they're quoting an american official that osama bin laden bin was killed in a mansion close to the pakistani capital there. does this come as a surprise? he certainly wasn't hiding in a cave if this is true. >> it certainly would come as a surprise. i've been in pakistan in the last year in islamabad actually with the president of pakistan and at that time we felt that he was probably up in waziristan. i even flew over the area at the time. the fact that he would be in a large city frankly is smart. if he's been able to do that and that's where we've caught palecek mohammed and other senior members of th

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mid-december, tora bora, afghan fighters reported hearing bin laden's voice over a two-way radio.ing his men to fight. the u.s. seemed certain that bin laden was cornered. but when u.s., afghan, and british troops finally fought their way to the caves of tora bora, they'd found loads of ammunition, bags of al qaeda documents, but they did not find bin laden. u.s. intelligence officials said bin laden and his top people were allowed to slip away by many of the same warlords the u.s. was paying to kill him. bin laden was apparently paying more. >> i mean, people have been bribing people in afghanistan for centuries. >> reporter: march 2002, gardez, afghanistan. american special forces moved in on what they believed would be a small pocket of al qaeda fighters. they were met with an ambush. the battle became the fiercest resistance the u.s. forces faced during the war. when it was over, no bin laden. in the years since, he's believed to have moved back and forth over the remote border between afghanistan and pakistan. the u.s. dropped leaflets to make sure local villagers knew about

american special forces had him in caves in eastern afghanistan, tora bora, but only hundreds of officers were involved one of thousands of troops were kept on the sideline. and local taliban commander spirited him out of the area on a secret path way, and he got away eventually to pakistan. >> after that, all we heard of him was the occasional video message, , from which every clue was carefully, looked at. there were many more audio messages, 30 or so, in 10 years. last year, he issued more than in any of the years since 2007. since the americans tracked him down through a courier, it must be a possibility that this relatively heavy traffic played a part in his downfall. although his message was a deeply chilling one, osama bin laden was gentle, and so softly spoken that you had to listen to him carefully. his father was an immensely rich property developer in saudi arabia, and his family was huge. his childhood seems to have been a happy one. it was the soviet invasion of afghanistan and radicalized him. the cia helped to set him up, but that is not strictly true. they did back some of

in december 2001 osama bin laden slipped out of tora bora. and this american president obama decided against bombing the hide out in order to send in troops to get proof of osama bin laden's death. >>> president obama said osama bin laden death makes today a good day for america and the world. >> the world is safer. it is a better place because of the death of osama bin laden. today we are reminded that as a nation there is nothing we can't do. when we put our soldrs to the wheel, when we work together. >> the president made those comments during a ceremony at the white house for two soldiers killed in the korean war. he praised the spirit of the crowds that gathered. >>> this meeting took place in islamabad hours after osama bin laden's death was announced. pakistan has indicated it was a joint operation. some u.s. government officials are suggesting, based on osama bin laden's location he must have had pakistani support. >>> u.s. officials took care to comfirm the man they killed was osama bin laden. his wife identified him and then facial

has gotten to him in the past grand tora bora. close calls that we have not been informed about? >> tora bora was the last time we felt we had credible information about where he was located. i think what this operation demonstrates is there are somewhere very, very good people who have been following bin laden for many years. they have been persistent and as a result of that diligence and an littic capabilities -- and analytic capabilities, they were able to determine bin laden was at that compound. it. was more confidence in this body of information since tora bora. but still there was nothing to confirm bin laden was at that compound. when he was faced with the opportunity to act upon this. the president has to evaluate the strengths of this mission and made one of the i believe the gutsiest calls of any president in modern history. >> talk to us about the anxiety of not being able to track or even gets the name initially of the gentleman who led you to the compound. >> counter terrorism does targeting analysis. it's exceptiona

>>tora bora was the last time we have credible information about where he was located. a number of leads have been pursued over the years. this operation demonstrates that there are some very, very good people who have been following osama bin laden for many years and have been persistent and pulled on every thread and as a result of that diligence and their analytic capabilities, they were able to track this and continue to build a body of evidence that suggested circumstantially that he was at the compound. that is what they did and it was much greater confidence we had in this body of information then we have had sense tora bora. there was nothing that confirmed he was at the compound and when president obama was faced with the opportunity to act upon this, the president had to evaluate the strength of the information and then make what i believe is one of the most gutsiest call of any president in recent memory. >> can you talk to us about how the eggs idea of not being able to track or get the name initially of the gentleman who led you to the compound? >> we did t

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senator john kerry criticized bush for letting bin laden escape tora bora.ohn kerry actually had real experience making kill decisions in combat in vietnam, the war that rush limbaugh and george w. bush exercised their cowardly prerogatives of avoiding service in. john kerry did not exactly end bush's political career. glenn beck has now grown impatient. glenn beck thinks president obama should have taken one bow for killing osama bin laden then left the stage. here is beck from his radio show today. >> president obama is going to visit ground zero. george bush is not going to go with him. george bush turned down obama's invitation to go to the site because he wanted to stay out of the spotlight. i would think that maybe it's because you would need hand sanitizer afterwards because you'd feel so slimy after doing this. this is the first visit to ground zero that obama has made since he was a candidate. what is the occasion other than ubl? is there another -- is there another reason or is it to just sop up some more glory and take a victory lap? it's disgusti

but officials said the information was the most sal lid since bin laden evaded capture at tora bora, afghanistan, in 2001. bin laden was buried at sea. >> the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up and the deceased body eased into the sea. >> reporter: the body now gone, many on capitol hill are now asking for photographic proof. >> the photos have to be released, to make sure we get rid of any conspiracy this here ipss who think we didn't take care of bin laden. >> reporter: panetta has made it clear he agrees. but the decision is the presidents. u.s. officials who have seen the photographs describe them as bloody with a massive gunshot wound to his froer head. >> it's fair to say it's a gruesome photograph. >> reporter: it could be inflammatory? >> it is certainly possible, and this is an issue that we are taking into consideration is that it could be inflammatory. >> reporter: a difficult decision. perhaps the last one about the monster who headed al qaeda that president obama will ever have to make. this is jake tapper for "nightline" at the white house. >> thanks to

afghanistan after watchi watching 9/11 on tv, eventua eventually making their way into t into the tora bora mountains where where osama bin laden became very c very close to being captur captured. he th he then escaped into pakist pakistan and has been there ever s ever since. but but now we have these repor reports that he has been kill k kill kd. and and that his body is in the hands hands of the united states. which which certainly poses an intere interesting situation. so so we're waiting to hear from t from the president on the detail details. and th and then get some more detail details after that. but th but the bottom line is that sourc sources, multiple sources say say that osama bin laden, the the perpetrator, the leader behind behind the 9/11 attracts is-- a is-- attacks is dead. >> mit >> mitchell: you said the white white hoe is pleased tonigh tonight. i woul i would have to think that is is an understatement. >> i c >> i can krol only tell you by by the mood that people are in, in, as i went into the lower press press office here and found some some people there. they they wer

somewhat belated for 15 -- tracking osama bin laden for 15 years and this is the first time since tora bora that they were close to getting him. what a long time they won with very little information about where been mawson was. -- where bin laden was. >> fascinating talking about the absolute anxiety and had until all the navy seals were out of the airspace. what about low that he believes this is to the al qaeda operation -- the blow he believes this is to the al qaeda operation? >> i had a conversation with an official who reiterated what john brennan was saying, and he said this was strategically important, not just symbolically important. the official i spoke to said they do believe that osama bin laden was involved in the long- term strategic planning in the direction of al qaeda and was useful as a recruiting tool in a way that ayman al-zawahiri, the no. 2, is not. zawahiri did not have the bona fides of bin laden. they went at considerable risk to american forces and at to relations with pakistanis as well. >> he mentioned it has agreements with pakistan, but he also gave reassuranc

but it was the best chance to get bin laden since the battle of tora bora and when it was executed they got bin laden, killed him, took his body and exploited the site. >> couric: and, juan, why was bin laden's body buried at sea? >> well, american officials, katie, didn't want to create a sacred site or rallying point for extremists so what they did was made a decision to dump his body in the sea and that's where his body will remain:. >> couric: and is there pressure to give absolute proof that there this really was bin laden who was killed? >> katie, i think's going to be likely mounting pressure to prove bin laden was killed, especially now that there is no body. the u.s. government that has d.n.a. proof and tests to show, pictures as well of bin laden's body, as well as testimony from those who were interrogated at the site. the women who were at the compound. and so how and when that information will be revealed is still unclear. but it is clear that the administration will want to be very careful as to how it releases that information, in particular the photographs. >> couric: an

it was much greater confidence we had in this body of information than we've had since tora bora. still though, it was nothing that confirmed that bin laden was at that compound and, therefore, when president obama was faced with the opportunity to act upon this, the president had to evaluate the strength of the information and then made what i believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory. >> and in the leadup to that final mission, can you talk to us about how the anxiety of not being able to track -- or even get the name initially of the gentleman who led you to the compound? >> in counterterrorism work and doing what's called targeting analysis, it is exceptionally tedious and painstaking as far as taking a little bit of data and piecing it together and trying to correlate it with something else, and as a result of the information that we had in a very generic way about these couriers and individuals, over time we're able to piece together additional information, get his -- the name he was known by, his nom nom de guerre and track it until we got

there may have been a time over the years where he was hiding thought the caves in the tora bora region. and there were stories that he was hiding out in various safe house, and that he was always on the move, going from one house to the next to the next. it was unclear how long he had been in this home, if this is one of many homes that he was using. we expect to learn much more in the morning hours when we get further briefs on how they were able to track him and get him and find him in this location. but you're right. it is somewhat of a difference scenario, somewhat surprising that he was perhaps living in such a large house that stood out from all the others in that area. >> okay, jonathan dienst, thank you for your insight and your information. jonathan dienst coming live to us from new york as he is investigating also what led up to this and the details of this u.s. attack near islamabad. >> and there is plenty of speculation tonight on what the death of osama bin laden might mean to the future of u.s. relations with the middle east and the future of terrorism. and most experts s

with all this inflation and all this money printing and wild crazy behavior from the you know the tora bora in d.c. china aims to have more gold than america so rob mcewen founder and former head of gold core now the world's fifth largest gold mining company believes central bank purchases could help push the price of gold to two thousand dollars he says china is out to have more gold in america and russia is aspiring to the same now you know of course china has officially a thousand tons of gold and if they want to catch up to america's alleged quantity of gold they need to buy a seven thousand tons well i'm going to go to mexico. as well yeah you know they don't feel right around the world or are for the first time. years increasing their gold reserves well let's move on to that mexican story because that's the next headline mexican central bank buys one hundred tons of gold as a result of mexico's purchase central banks sovereign wealth funds and other so-called official sector buyers are on track to record their largest collective purchase of gold since the collapse of the bretton woods

embarrassment of not being able to find him because you just wasn't resourcing it properly i mean tora bora is the key instance here this is in two thousand and one right after the invasion we had been in our grasp he was wounded he was on the run and there's about one hundred american commandos and they kept asking for reinforcements and they made repeated requests reinforcements a thousand marines to walk off the exits into pakistan there were american sniper teams helicopters mobile units and they were p. to be denied by general tommy franks who is the commander on the ground and then all the way up to donald rumsfeld who is the secretary of defense and presumably to the white house to make this kind of major decision and in doing that in modern thought he was dead he wrote his last will and testament but in not pursuing him aggressively they let these you know untrained afghan militias go after him they let bin laden escape into pakistan and into history and till sunday it was and that's pretty incredible. at a tribute to the troops rally assuming she got one hundred thousand dollars sp