tora bora just awful. anyway you want to wake him up let's go did you pray with did you say your prose last night i purred. good. example will be ready more or less. to. me or you're going to have to buckle me in the lake everything is standing still nothing is moving. it's about it's probably seventeen degrees there. and it's thirty outside. today we're going to train without any gadgets. if you have these devices will be attached to my leg and they're also going to be attached to a rope and a diving weight so i'm basically going to be tied to the bottom in any case we've got a quick release system here. when a person dives under water the blood vessels in their limbs automatically start to constrict this is because our arms and legs don't have a crucial function. of blood that's in which by oxygen rushes the periphery to the center and begins to circulate in the torso focusing on the essential organs especially the brain heart amongst kidneys and liver. the body at this point begins to slow down a bit it

. >> we missed opportunities, particularly at tora bora the end of 2001, early 2002, but then after thatama bin laden became very, very difficult to see his communication and movements were extraordinarily carefully controlled and of course we believed that entire period was operateening western pakistan. >> sean: you became a bit of an expert on him. what did you learn about him? >> well, if you go back to his history, from his early years, he became radicalized really, by an instructor he had in-- when he was about 14. he later became very, very incensed, of course, a supporter of the mujahadeen in the war against soviets, but saudi arabia after iraq invaded kuwait. >> sean: he's originally from there. >> from saudi arabia, correct. >> sean: so when he offered his government the opportunity to have a force of mujahadeen to defend the country in lieu of american forces he was very upset when the government didn't accept that offer. he became increasingly radicalized from the years following that. >> sean: yeah. bill clinton, i wrote about this in a book i wrote back in 2002, had multipl

and al qaeda, if you recall at the time, they fled to tora bora and then he went to pakistan, and at the time watching this from afar i assume that the taliban had essentially had the same position, that they were declaring jihad, the infidels where the foreign occupiers. it was only after peter asked me to study connor hart, connor hart insurgency, going to connor hart and trying to grapple with what's happening there that i came to a different conclusion than what i had originally thought, and in short, that is that after 2001 the taliban quit. they quit wholesale. what i mean by that is the talibans, the people who do they constitute insurgency from the leadership and rank-and-file had quit and tried for the most part to cut, to engineer a series of deals with the afghan government. or in some cases with the americans directly. and it's interesting because i did that the quote, at the time, 2002, there were pakistani clerics, radical clerics trying to drum up support for the fallen talibans thing we need to send money to the taliban so they can fight the occupiers. but this is a q