writer and journalist emma woolf and former labour advisor matthew torbett.r labour advisor at the moment because to be honest, not going, not going terribly well, is it? they've thrown sue gray under bus? >> no, i said to bev last week, i wouldn't say i take any great glee, not longer being part of the labour party or for even saying i thought this would happen. saying i thought this would happen . i think sue's probably happen. i think sue's probably been done a disservice. the boys have got their way. they always do . and i think the interesting do. and i think the interesting thing will be that there's some somehow going to be a reset. we have a politician in keir starmer who has never been popular, has never. i always thought the tories were 20 points behind. we weren't 20 points behind. we weren't 20 points ahead the first 100 days. haven't gone very well, and all of a sudden we're supposed to expect that a rearranging of the deckchairs means that he's now going to surge on and do really well. i'm not convinced, because morgan mcsweeney, who was campaig

and i'm joined in the studio back in westminster by former labour adviser gopal varma and matthew torbett've seen the performances of the four runners and the riders who would the labour party most fear as the next conservative party leader and why? >> judging from the clips, i'd say nigel farage. >> actually, i think that's the one everybody needs to fear. >> but no, i think i've thought for some time and encouraged him when i saw him in parliament to run. i think james cleverly would be the one i would fear the most. why is that? i think he looks. he looks the part, he sounds the part, and i think he he i think i'm right in thinking he's got the most experience. he's got the military background, >> and i think, again, it puts labour under a bit of pressure. >> i've thought for some time that labour are going to struggle to keep calling themselves the progressive party out of both parties, when he would be the first black leader of any main political party. and we're still electing straight white men. and i'm not, you know, i think there's much more to diversity than colour or gender or

matthew torbett. matthew, great to see you.thank torbett. matthew, great to see you.hank you for coming in. no, no problem. and giving up that sausage . what are we what that sausage. what are we what do we make of the first 100 days? is there any way you can put a positive spin on this? >> no. and i would be denying reality if i was to try to. i think if you were going to take some positives from it, i would think making moves towards great british railways is a good thing. i think anybody that that travels on the railways in this country will, you know , totally country will, you know, totally see it's a miserable experience. and when you have countries like ukraine having a more a higher percentage of trains running on time than we do, you know, you know, there's something wrong. and i think there's a lot of scepticism. but gb energy will hopefully turn out to be something good and positive and will save people money. that doesn't seem to be the case right now, but that would be something else. and ultimately, you know, being part of the labour party, you're not us

matthew torbett, you obviously listened to every word of it as you used to work for that man.were you hanging on his every syllable? >> no. it would be unfairfor me >> no. it would be unfair for me to say so. we all know keir starmer isn't a great orator. his voice isn't great. i think there's a couple of interesting things. the idea that growth is higher, wages. now, until recently, rachel reeves wasn't going to borrow to invest, and it seems like that's going to happen now. but i think a large part of man. were you hanging for that man. were you hanging on his every syllable? >> no. it would be unfairfor me >> no. it would be unfair for me to say so. we all know keir starmer isn't a great orator. his voice isn't great. i think there's a couple of interesting things. the idea that growth is higher, wages. now, until recently, rachel reeves wasn't going to borrow to invest, and it seems like that's going to happen now. but i think a large part of these money woes and businesses being scared or whatever, has been caused by rachel reeves tying herself in her own fiscal rules, no

well, i'm joined now by former labour party adviser matthew torbett.w, welcome to the program. thank you for coming in again. is keir starmer to some extent being hoist by his own petard that he began talking about this. he didn't close it down as leader of the opposition. and that's built up expectations amongst the canbbean expectations amongst the caribbean nations. >> possibly. i think the term i was thinking of was hoisted on his own petard, and i think he he probably because i had it, probably forgot that that was evenin probably forgot that that was even in the 2019 manifesto. but you stand on something, you sort of have to stand for it really, or you stand for nothing. i suppose the argument would be. but we've, we've, we've not stood on it on this election. the wording has changed slightly and there isn't going to be an audit. and i think certainly we will see what he's made of this week. and as an ardent trade unionist, he's going to need some good negotiators. negotiators in the room because their argument the other side, their argument the

. >> matthew torbett emma woolf. we've run out of time as usual. we're late for the news. yes.here's tatiana sanchez. >> we didn't get free tickets . >> we didn't get free tickets. >> we didn't get free tickets. >> bev. thank you. the top stories, the prime minister has pledged to get rid of regulation that needlessly holds back investment. and he said that at a major business conference in london today, the government's unveiled investment deals worth billions of pounds in al, life sciences and infrastructure at its first international investment summit a row over criticism of p&o ferries that reportedly jeopardised a £1 billion investment by its owner, dp world , has been smoothed dp world, has been smoothed oven dp world, has been smoothed over. the government aims to show it's making progress on its mission to deliver economic growth after marking 100 days in office and ahead of the chancellor's first budget at the end of the month, sir keir starmer says he'll do everything in his power to galvanise economic growth in times like this , economic growth is vital this, economi

well, i'm joined now by former labour party adviser matthew torbett.w, welcome to the program. thank you for coming in again. is keir starmer to some extent being hoist by his own petard that he began talking about this. he didn't close it down as leader of the opposition. and down as leader of th