tory are they toast the tories? had rishi's recession tories?d analysis to how reform have done. lib dems obliterate and yeah they're just out of the picture aren't they. >> reform. >> reform. >> now the third party you'd say in the uk and they're polling the same as they're performing in the elections . in the by elections. >> but interesting. but it's interesting when you look at it depends see it depends how depends you see it depends how you read the analysis isn't it. i they've very well. i mean they've done very well. richard on this richard tice earlier on this morning, happy with morning, very very happy with 13% in welwyn borough. 13% in in welwyn borough. however if they're getting that much support why aren't reform supporters queuing up to vote at the polling station on the day and have a real impact? and then and have a real impact? and then and the argument is they're not. >> yeah , i think i think it's >> yeah, i think i think it's the, the idea that reform want out. >> i mean, of course they want seats in parliament, but i think

labour 'ust to get the tories out. . , ., , tories out.resting phrase, just to get _ tories out. that is an interesting phrase, just to get the _ tories out. that is an interesting phrase, just to get the tories . tories out. that is an interesting l phrase, just to get the tories out. is there enthusiasm for keir starmer or more disillusionment with rishi sunak? i or more disillusionment with rishi sunak? ., , or more disillusionment with rishi sunak? ~' , ., sunak? i think he is getting a bad ress, sunak? i think he is getting a bad press. keir _ sunak? i think he is getting a bad press, keir starmer. _ sunak? i think he is getting a bad press, keir starmer. i— sunak? i think he is getting a bad press, keir starmer. i have - sunak? i think he is getting a bad press, keir starmer. i have got i sunak? i think he is getting a bad press, keir starmer. i have got a | press, keir starmer. i have got a friend _ press, keir starmer. i have got a friend who — press, keir starmer. i have got a friend who knows somebody in north london. _ friend wh

stick with the tory starmer. stick with the tory party.e here in wellingborough are not doing chris will sir keir doing that. chris will sir keir starmer be feeling a bit relieved this morning after what's been a fairly torrid week? >> he's been dealing with anti semitism. rao's u—turn ons of course, the latest on the £28 billion green pledge. will he be thinking, you know thank goodness for that . totally right ben. >> and it just shows to me i think how often we in westminster get you know, we see a narrative , we exploit it, a narrative, we exploit it, write about it , deal with it. write about it, deal with it. last week , the £28 billion last week, the £28 billion u—turn on spending on green green pledges in the back end of the first parliament of a labour government this week, the ugly face of claims about anti—semitism rising again in the labour party that looked difficult for sir keir starmer . difficult for sir keir starmer. i mean, they've had to suspend or they've withdrawn support for a candidate in a by—election coming up, but

do the tories . have celebrating victory too soon? do the tories.ential the tories. have a potential sting in the tail ? i'll be sting in the tail? i'll be asking forthright former government minister edwina currie . edwina is radio show . radio show. >> welcome back to friday night live. i'm mark dolan and your weekend starts here now. coming up with support for reform uk surging. can nigel farage bring down the conservative party but first yesterday was undoubtedly a good day for labour, with sir keir starmer's opposition party celebrating . two by—election celebrating. two by—election victories in safe tory seats in wellingborough, north hamptonshire. the party took peter bowen's former seat, which he had held with a majority of more than 18,000, and in kingswood, south gloucestershire .labour kingswood, south gloucestershire . labour overturned an 11,000 conservative majority . but are conservative majority. but are labour celebrating victory too soon? let's get the views of former government minister and radio and television broadcaster edwina

do the tories . have celebrating victory too soon? do the tories.otential the tories. have a potential sting in the tail ? i'll be sting in the tail? i'll be asking forthright former government minister edwina currie . edwina is radio show . radio show. >> welcome back to friday night live. i'm mark dolan and your weekend starts here now. coming up with support for reform uk surging. can nigel farage bring down the conservative party but first yesterday was undoubtedly a good day for labour, with sir keir starmer's opposition party celebrating . two by—election celebrating. two by—election victories in safe tory seats in wellingborough, north hamptonshire. the party took peter bowen's former seat, which he had held with a majority of more than 18,000, and in kingswood, south gloucestershire .labour kingswood, south gloucestershire . labour overturned an 11,000 conservative majority . but are conservative majority. but are labour celebrating victory too soon? let's get the views of former government minister and radio and television broadcaster edwin

uh, tory former tory mp lee tory mp, former tory mp lee anderson had the tory whip taken away from himomments he made about sadiq khan on news earlier on this khan on gb news earlier on this week. take a listen. week. let's take a listen. >> i don't actually believe that these islamists have got control of our country , but what i do of our country, but what i do believe is they've got control of khan they've got control of khan and they've got control of khan and they've got control of london and they've got control of storm as well. and we've seen shocking scenes we've seen the shocking scenes played parliament, just a played out in parliament, just a few nights back, where starmer crumbled . he put on the crumbled. he put pressure on the speaker to alter the rules, if you like, for the nature of the debate ultimate voting . debate and the ultimate voting. and this this is a result of weak leadership . weak leadership. >> now , now, how can islamists >> now, now, how can islamists both have control of london? but also we see that london is too woke to function with pride flags on cro

tories already fear reform.s leader , they'd be truly leader, they'd be truly terrified. i mean, that's in the sunday times. i think it's a pretty accurate assessment, isn't it? it's interesting to see reform doing that. well without nigel farage in an official i appreciate he official role. i appreciate he is in that honour chairmanship role without the name role and also without the name recognition that ukip had . recognition that ukip had. >> yes. and i mean nigel keeps teasing us about what he's actually going to do. we still don't know whether going don't know whether he's going to really stuck you know, really get stuck into, you know, what i think he's going to do? >> go on dive bomb in about eight weeks the election, eight weeks before the election, could that's what tories >> and that's what the tories are terrified of, the idea that it would be hit two months before. but some really interesting figures come up before. but some really interthatg figures come up before. but some really interthatg figu|t

they are tory. there's two tories. there's the two types of tories.t are in like rishi sunak. >> i'd say there are two nye bevan. can i, can i speak? and i want you to list all seven types bevan. can i, can i speak? and i watories. to list all seven types of tories. >> go keep going. >> go keep going. >> i obviously i don't know >> this i obviously i don't know what talking the what the hell i'm talking the two types tories are the two types of tories who are the two types of tories who are the two two types tories the two two types of tories are the tories the pockets tories that are in the pockets of team world of the of the. let's get some material. let's get some new material. >> one war going on. >> there's one war going on. there's one. let's see if we've got some new material here. >> and, lewis, i don't know about you, but i was relieved to hear that there's no such thing as islamist extremists. >> what? you know >> do you know what? you know what? story, josh, what? you take the story, josh, boy, you're always. you what? you take the story, j

i mean, you're very much tory. talk much a centrist tory.ortance of the about the importance of the broad that broad church. how's that congregation because the congregation going? because the last checked, you've lost last time i checked, you've lost two by elections and you're 20 points behind in the poll. >> and that's simply >> yeah, and that's simply because we're not getting the air for people like you to air time for people like you to scrutinise labour are scrutinise what labour are doing, because we're spending the a buzzing the whole time having a buzzing with other on the with each other on the telegraph. you go back, if i may, joe, go back to the, you know, the centre ground, the centre in british centre ground in british politics, the floating voter. that's win elections that's how you win elections when onto the when you go to extremes onto the right the left, you will right or to the left, you will not the general election. not win the general election. uh, corbyn proved that uh, jeremy corbyn proved that when was leader and w

to what extent can we blame the tories problems on - we blame the tories problems on rishi sunak andt the legacy of rishi sunak was not great, we had two of the most unpopular prime minister is that we had seen in this country for a long time, boris johnson and liz truss before him, liz truss is seen by the electorate as having crashed the economy and made a difference to people who are now paying higher mortgages as a result. and what we have to remember is of course rishi sunak was the chancellor of the exchequer under borisjohnson so he cannot completely escape responsibility for the situation he faces. the electorate _ the situation he faces. the electorate is _ the situation he faces. the electorate is not _ the situation he faces. the electorate is not prepared to believe the narrative that the combination of the pandemic in the war in ukraine have created this economic problems and we are climbing out of it? i economic problems and we are climbing out of it?— climbing out of it? i think the electorate — climbing out of it? i think the electorate is _ climbing out of it? i thin

the tories okay. if tories don't have that. okay.not have decides the tories do not have that. i think that's what that. and i think that's what they're most. look they're lacking the most. look gordon brown in 2010 gets 28% of the there's hung the vote. there's a hung parliament happen for parliament that can happen for the it can happen. you the tories. it can happen. you have to have a very efficient vote right votes in the right places. you've not got the person to do it. i look at rishi sunak i great sunak and i think great chancellor, the great finance secretary, he a great undersecretary to the treasury . undersecretary to the treasury. right. | undersecretary to the treasury. right. i do not think pm and that's no that's no larry, you just described him as sweet, which think could be damning which i think could be damning with praise . and it's not with faint praise. and it's not meant be an insult to him. meant to be an insult to him. and i think, finally, i'll say this. the problem for the tories is we can talk about ideas

the tory party _ vote for the labour party? the tory party is — vote for the labour party? terrified vote for the labour party? tte tory party is terrified of vote for the labour party? ttj: tory party is terrified of us because we have the policies that make sense and will save britain, and they realise they've had their opportunity, they've had their opportunity, they've blown it, they've messed up the economy, they've allowed massive immigration, obsessed with net zero, the labour party is the same, so people are voting positively, saying, "thank have been someone has arrived on the scene with good policies that will save britain." that's why people are voting for us. would be a good _ people are voting for us. would be a good result _ people are voting for us. would be a good result for— people are voting for us. would be a good result for you - people are voting for us. would be a good result for you here i be a good result for you here tonight? tt be a good result for you here toniaht? ., be a good result for you here toniaht? . ., ., ., ., tonight? if we are at or ar

do you think that the tory row has tory islamophobia row has descended hysteria?ck, how are you ? >> navalny patrick, how are you? >> navalny patrick, how are you? >> i'm good. thank you. sorry i don't know if there's a bit of a delay. is it hysteria? >> sorry. just say that again is a delay. i can't hear you properly. >> is it hysteria? >> is it hysteria? >> what is the tory islamophobia row? >> um . >> um. >> um. >> is it serious? being caused by the tories? um there seems to be hysteria in the media. it's caused by the tories. right >> so do you agree, then, that the people are being overly hysterical about islamophobia and then ignoring islamism ? and then ignoring islamism? >> well, not really , no, i don't >> well, not really, no, i don't agree, i don't disagree, i don't really have a view on that. >> if that's how the tories want to behave, it's a matter for them, right? >> do you understand what you're on to talk about, though, don't you? why booked you, you? which is why we booked you, which is to respond to suella braverman comments. so do you think isla

lesley no, the tories are lesley says no, the tories are finished.possibly yes, reform. ria says possibly yes, but have a voice but he won't ever have a voice again goes back . so it's again if he goes back. so it's better he's independent maybe better he's independent or maybe join verdict is in join reform. your verdict is in 86% of you agree that the prime minister should should reinstate lee anderson for 14% of you say that he should not. right. coming up , that he should not. right. coming up, it's suella braverman right that the tory islamophobia row has descended into hysteria. muslim . solicitor yunus lunat muslim. solicitor yunus lunat will take on the former home secretary about all of that. and the sacked chief inspector of borders and immigration has been calling out the clown in the home office today. what he says is extremely worrying. i will play is extremely worrying. i will play that to you next. some quite astonishing revelations from that chap. actually, this is patrick christys tonight. you don't to miss a second. okay. all right.

always been a tory voter.would admit that his clumsy. right his words were clumsy. right well, coming up to 16 well, it's just coming up to 16 minutes 5:00. this is gb minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. up, more digital radio. coming up, more on. guessed it. lee on. yes, you've guessed it. lee anderson commitment. your listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> good afternoon . it's 19 >> good afternoon. it's 19 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we are live on tv, onune channel. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . um, and if you just nana akua. um, and if you just tuned in, well, you've missed a lot. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party after he refused to apologise for comments that he made a spokesperson for the chief whip has said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, chief whip has yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from

i just a silly tory stunt.trick, before dear andrew comes back now then, uh, labour party will fill me up and say, can you put out this statement about this tory mp, sort of try to sort of embarrass him and make him look stupid? i said, no, not at all. >> dennis, dennis, there is a key point of difference here though, which that both of though, which is that both of her addresses were in her alleged addresses were in manchester were manchester and not as you were alluding someone being alluding to, someone being registered and registered in westminster and then constituency address. then at a constituency address. andrea, is back. andrea andrea, andrea is back. andrea is back. um, yeah. i mean , do is back. um, yeah. i mean, do you think that she has questions to answer here? she obviously denies any wrongdoing. >> absolutely . and i think any >> absolutely. and i think any mp, whichever party, if there is potential that they've broken, um, electoral law, then of course there should be an investigation, patrick

it was if no tory, if not many tory mps were no tory, if not many tory mps werit's not for tory mps. is a grassroots movement. they could sold ticket could have sold every ticket there over and it is there ten times over and it is to make sure that the british people are represented , rented, people are represented, rented, not just in parliament but in the policies that make them that affect every aspect of our lives . and it's how to change all the institutions that determine we've got a nanny state. we've got restrictions on x, y and z, we've got higher costs of living , and we need to have become laws of certain targets and certain rules. it's how to turn all of that around so that the british economy, the british people, can thrive . don't you think? >> it's a bit weird, though, that the people are kind of sitting here saying that the government machine is broken are the same ones that have actually had power in this country for quite a few now. when quite a few years now. and when we about things like, you we talk about things like, you know, got to get back to know, we've got

i mean, is the answer to the tories boris the tories woes?>> going to do >> well, he's not going to do any harm in terms of campaigning. i don't he campaigning. i don't think he might think he might because i don't think he will. no, no, i don't think he will. no, no, i don't think he will. i think you can. i think you can take him out on you can take him out there on the stumps, stump or the the stumps, on the stump or the stump whatever stump or whatever it is, stomping on the stump, stomping on the i think you can do on the stump. i think you can do that. i think any notion that he's somehow anybody is actually going and replace him going to come in and replace him rishi as leader is rishi sunak as a leader is nonsense. that would just be nonsense. and that would just be completely boris do it, >> why would boris do it, though? would though? why would he? >> he's don't think he >> well, he's i don't think he is going to do it. and i mean, i think he's, he wants he's biding his time. he thinks that the next plan is i think that, next the pl

you the tories.t to be a're there and said, oh, look, you're you the tories. but to be fair, not the tories. but to be fair, rishi sunak really dining out rishi sunak is really dining out on idea now. oh, you vote on the idea now. oh, if you vote for get a labour for reform you'll get a labour government. mean, neither government. i mean, neither party doing party there is actually doing anything to actively try to convince vote for convince people to vote for them. there them. are they? is there any truth, if people go truth, though, that if people go out reform, what out and vote for reform, what they is just saying, they are doing is just saying, here starmer , here you go, keir starmer, there's downing have it. there's downing street, have it. i technically speaking, of i mean, technically speaking, of course be seats course there will be seats in which reform vote will cost which the reform vote will cost the conservatives that seat because labour will sneak through middle . through the middle.

one, of course , is that the tory one, of course, is that the tory party is falling apart. chucked out of parliament because he exposed himself to his staff and bullied them. and another was decided to leave parliament because he couldn't bring himself to vote leave parliament because he couthet bring himself to vote leave parliament because he couthe conservativeelf to vote leave parliament because he couthe conservative party vote for the conservative party anymore , despite being a anymore, despite being a conservative mp. so of course, that's not an ideal situation for the to able to for the tories to be able to win. i say nothing win. but i just say this nothing is inevitable in politics. we won, i think, because first of all, because keir starmer has shown that he's changed the labour party. it's not the same labour party. it's not the same labour party. it's not the same labour party as it was in 2019. maybe maybe, maybe if he can change the labour party , he can change the labour party, he can change the labour party, he can change britain for the good as well. and

the newly elected mp, damien egan, overturned a tory majority of overturned a tory majority of over 11,00011,000. he overturned a tory majority of over 11,000. he got 2500 more votes than the conservative candidate, and here you can see that result with 11,176 for damien egan, 8675 for the conservatives and the reform candidate, rupert lowe, got 2578. we can show you what that means in terms of the share of the vote. labour took 44.9% of the vote. labour took 44.9% of the vote, and the conservatives 34.9%. let us go back to kettering. thank you, ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome. i, being the returning officer at the election for a member of parliament for wellingborough on thursday the 15th of february 2024, do hereby give notice that the number of votes recorded for each

and the tories... and the tories got to manage a period of enormous upheaval instead.d, where too much of the prosperity oil and gasket have brought up was squandered. where the governments are working class security, not as a source of hope and dynamism, but as a threat. and where the economic transition away from central scotland's main industries was, as it was across britain, chaotic, unstable and needlessly cruel. conference, what i'm saying is this... we live in a time of upheaval every bit as big as those two defining periods of modern scottish history. revolutions in energy, science, technology that are changing our children's future beyond recognition. overturning the established relationships of power all around the world. and with that, creating new threats to democracy. an age of insecurity with fault lines that run right through the living standards of working people. so make no mistake, in this era the difficult decisions will come thick and fast. and the consequences might stay with us for decades. the job we must take on is to build a bridge to the futu

the tory become a problem for. the tory party unless they can grip it. made not made clear that they're not trying that lee anderson trying to say that lee anderson was anti—islam. was was was anti—islam. he was racist. that racist. they're saying that they deplore any comments be deplore any comments that can be seen such. they're trying to seen as such. they're trying to leave a small way back in for lee anderson to the tory party but i for one, i can't really see it. i think others others might get the whip might see he'll get the whip back but i think this back this week, but i think this is into what is almost turning into what could be a permanent break between the between lee anderson and the party 2019 to party he joined only in 2019 to become mp. become an mp. >> hmm. interesting indeed. >> hmm. very interesting indeed. thank christopher our thank you. christopher hope, our political there outside political editor there outside westminster . now, did political editor there outside westminster. now, did mention westminster. now, we did mention on

the tory mp been rolling, and it started on this show. the tory mp and this very show.inister for london, paul scully, there no go scully, has said there are no go areas in london and birmingham now. he specifically mentioned tower hamlets in east london and we've been there today and this is what people around there had to say to us when i moved to bow and bromley by bow, that particular area was very gang heavy. >> um , you get large numbers of >> um, you get large numbers of youth gangs and, um, if a particular people , um, it can be particular people, um, it can be very intimidating. >> it's a great community here. >> it's a great community here. >> it's a great community here. >> i think that you can't judge an area by how much opportunity people given. and i think people are given. and i think that, like, it just feels like fear mongering politician fear mongering from a politician who the area. who doesn't know the area. >> him to come down. >> i'd like him to come down. >> i'd like him to come down. >> and, know, could go >> and, you know, we could go for courie

just on the tories and family.f you don't mind me asking about your family because you had uke about your family because you had like me. i grew up had a bit like me. i grew up with an alcoholic mother. know with an alcoholic mother. i know that were that both of your parents were alcoholic, would imagine alcoholic, and i would imagine that when it comes to you calling now for family friendly tax policies, particularly in the tory party that must have been born out of your experience having quite a difficult childhood well. childhood as well. >> i would say definitely. >> well, i would say definitely. um you know, my father died when i was four of apparently a fall when he was drunk and, uh, uh, i think there may, you know, there may be some story at the back of that which i'm not aware of, but my sister and i, um, grew up . we my sister and i, um, grew up. we went from reasonably well off to bankruptcy to, uh, what happens to poverty, neglect and shame? shame is a big thing. and um, my mother was . alcoholic. she

, ., ~ , tory mps? there were tens of mps in attendance today _ tory mps?s of mps in attendance today and quite _ tory mps? there were tens of mps in attendance today and quite a - tory mps? there were tens of mps in attendance today and quite a broad i attendance today and quite a broad swathe. some have been in their

house, 30 tory mithe in the hall with us who jacob rees—mogg's house, 30 tory mithe in the hall with hall with us were all that was there, but 30 but 30 there behind the closed doors. they raised lots money doors. they raised lots of money for group. will it do for this group. what will it do with money for me it's all with the money for me it's all about future and probably about the future and probably the election, the future. after the election, i looked the cheap i looked around in the cheap seats we were. nigel, seats where we were. nigel, i saw david cantini, a former aide to boris johnson. he's been involved with tory politics for 30 years. i saw john stratford, a guy who's redraughted the tory constitution. saw donors, lord constitution. i saw donors, lord michael ashcroft, you him michael ashcroft, you know him very candy. we'll very well, nick. candy. we'll come on to him in a minute. i saw people there who can actually support and relaunch a broken tory party, and i wonder whether that was what we're looking the looking at. this is the beginning for beginning of the plann

and does want the tory party thinks tory party party or thinks the tory party will very well after the after the election. yeah, i think election. um, so yeah, i think thatis election. um, so yeah, i think that is almost, you know, today's event was indicative, i think, of the pressure on the party more wing. party to be more right wing. >> nigel say to you >> and nigel did say to you earlier that , um, he hopes that earlier that, um, he hopes that the tories get, you know, wiped out in the next election. but he did hint he might be a part of the rebuild of the conservative party if the right, as he called it, were to regroup around a flag. so think a couple of chess moves ahead . what about that? moves ahead. what about that? the prospect of farage getting back into the conservative party being talked about forever? of course he rolls his eyes and denies but was there. denies it, but he was there. he's the room . he's in the room. >> yes. and there's a lot of moves to there. i mean, moves to get there. i mean, i think the tory party completely let nigel when it let down nigel farage w

i islamophobia a wider problem in a tory party?— tory party? not heard that about liz truss, but _ tory party? i had not heard that about liz truss, but it _ tory party? i had not heard that about liz truss, but it is - tory party? i had not heard that| about liz truss, but it is scarcely covering her with glory. there are a couple of problems with the conservative party, first as well they are in the polls, the prime minister�*s authority is very weak, so lots of people are conducting themselves with a eye to after the election and in the case of liz truss, that means the fight over the leadership and future direction of the party, with lee anderson that means bolstering his career as a television pundit and commentator, so i would distinguish between the two of them in as much as i personally suspect that liz truss�*s results were more social awkwardness or cowardice in not wanting to call out the house. i have not seen any evidence that she personally supports the edl, her politics taken a different direction, she is a libertarian, anderson

so there is this and probably this discussion and probably tory, those ideas were tory, because thosereally what rishi sunak were he in the audience in that in the audience believed in that interview tobias ellwood? >> his e his wi- >> he said his idea is to just take away the choice of the next leader from the from the grassroots, give all to the mps. and that's what i thought was extraordinary. may god help us if say, we might get if they had a say, we might get nigel farage as leader. >> i hate these people. >> i mean, i hate these people. they don't wash enough. they don't wash often enough. i mean, he didn't he's not hating, man, but he didn't. arrogance. >> want you as their >> they don't want you as their leader. they leader. they don't want they don't their own grassroots don't want their own grassroots to opinion. don't want their own grassroots to i opinion. don't want their own grassroots to i was opinion. don't want their own grassroots to i was in)pinion. don't want their own grassroots to i was in iowa,�*|. don't want their own grassroots to i was in iowa, chris, the >>

position and the position. between the tory position and the well, position. between the tory position the well, there's on. between the tory position and the well, there's obviously a >> well, there's obviously a lot of posturing on of political posturing going on and there's huge amount and there's a huge amount of political keir political pressure on keir starmer to get this right. otherwise he could face, you know, another rebellion when it comes it. and that's comes down to it. and that's exactly not what wants to exactly not what he wants to have his plate. is it really. have on his plate. is it really. well, we're counting down the minutes. >> it should be this hour. we hear not that crucial hear whether or not that crucial labour is selected and labour amendment is selected and whether we hear that scale of dissent, that scale of potential , uh, disruption . but coming up, , uh, disruption. but coming up, nuclear's britain's nuclear deterrent is in question after a missile test, it failed and crashed into the sea just yards from the submarine, which launched it. >> yes, it's be

her husband was a tory. in other words, she was as strong a supporter of the revolution as he was a strong opponent of it. in other words, they really disagreed about politics in a really serious way. so i wanted to find out about jane. ever since the 1990s in this book is my attempt to flesh out her life despite very, very limited source, and also to try to locate kind of the origins of her very strong rhetoric. and i would argue also political consciousness. so first, some basic background information. jane wellborn spurgeon was born in maryland, 1736. she married a fellow marylander in the early in the early 1750s. and then moved with him and their firstborn child to rowan county, r.w. anne. but they say at rowan county in north carolina, in what was then the western of the province or the colony, and they arrived there sometime around 1757. unfortunately, the power point going to not be very good tonight. i can't show you a picture of either. jane or husband william because at the time only pretty wealth

tory incumbent, where the former tory rather unliked and incumbent, where the former tory rathperson tory rath person that they liked and incumbent, where the former tory rath person that they choseand the person that they chose to replace was partner , replace him was his partner, they need to be doing better. actually to be actually if they're going to be taking off the tories, taking votes off the tories, i think they're doing a respectable business. they're doing they're doing respectably, but they're not fantastically well. not doing fantastically well. the concern tories the major concern for the tories is right now votes going to is not right now votes going to reform. it's simply conservatives going, yeah, i hear what but hear what you say, but a straight up don't trust you. >> well, it appears like they're not going to labour either in wellingborough more wellingborough they had 107 more votes than in 2019. votes than they did in 2019. varne but benedict, let me ask you about this. uh developing story from keir story this morning from keir starmer for a ceasefire. starmer ca

the tories shot up.ng net zero, they'd probably the election. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no ly the election. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no they the election. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no they wouldn't,:ion. scrapping net zero, they'd pro no they wouldn't, they would. >> no they wouldn't, they would. >> no they wouldn't, they would. >> sun's still ahead this evening. >> just the tories won't >> he just said the tories won't win the election. yeah. >> shell scrapped net still ahead. >> the most warlike man in britain, butterworth, britain, benjamin butterworth, is be asking if we is going to be asking if we should automatically tips. should automatically pay tips. you're saturday five you're with the saturday five live news welcome back to the saturday five. thank you again for your emails. i tell you what, you should be here with us in the studio because you've got better opinions. sue has written in about newcastle united and she argues that actually, maybe there aren't legal ban the lady le

are you a tory party or you worried as a tory party or as tory do you think, oh as a tory peer, do yoush, going to go? do you gosh, is he going to go? do you want to lose him? where are you on all? on it all? >> well, i don't lose anybody from party i'd from the conservative party i'd like to join the like more people to join the conservative i'd more conservative party i'd like more conservative so generally conservative mps. so generally speaking, i'm conservative speaking, i'm pro conservative mps not being mps and against people not being conservative anderson conservative mps. lee anderson is i to say. is a character. i have to say. my is a character. i have to say. my personal view is that his position, whether he's in the conservative reform conservative party or reform uk or joins the labour party, which he used to be a member of or whatever he does, don't think whatever he does, i don't think it'll a huge impact outside it'll have a huge impact outside his constituency. to be perfectly frank. so i think it's important follow what he's important to follow what he's doing. the i

, in tory seats, tory households, this weekend.o appeal to the tory vote? get those voters out. but because currently the party is being squeezed by a resurgent labour party, which surely must now look nailed to win the look nailed on to win the election , and also a getting, election, and also a getting, growing and bigger and bigger reform. uk party. and that's a big worry for rishi sunak. >> absolutely, christopher. and just before i bring in jeff moody, who is of course in kingswood, christopher , an kingswood, christopher, an absolutely terrible night for the liberal democrats too. but i also think it's important to have a look at actually who is now going to be an mp, this jen kitchen, she's 27 years old, studied politics at university. um, i believe has been working in the charity sector. we're getting some very new young potentially in experienced people into the houses of parliament. >> yeah. you say an experience, i say exciting. i think there's no actual qualification to be an mp. you hold an office? yes. um, she's a big

i'm not saying the tories are going to win, but thatis tories are going to win, but that is the mountainfly . starmer has to climb briefly. >> sevilla i wonder whether an issue with keir starmer is that he's a lawyer. no disrespect, terry , and that in his previous terry, and that in his previous career his job is to sort of look at a case and then sell it to the jury and to the judge . to the jury and to the judge. yeah, and essentially it doesn't matter what case you have because it's the cab rule that lawyers have, which is basically you take the next job, you don't decide that killed decide whether that guy killed his not. you get the his wife or not. you get the gig, you get, make the case. gig, you get, you make the case. maybe that's a problem for a future minister future prime minister >> well, what's worrying is that i many he i just wonder how many cases he actually because the thing actually won. because the thing is, he's he's he's doing is, yes, he's he's he's doing what like. okay, well, this what he's like. okay, well, this this is i've asked of. this is what i've been ask

this is such an interesting, odd couple, i think tori and smallwood. and not only did they freak as a people, but then they turned around and rubbed it in the faces of the enslavers. i mean, describe that smallwood would write these columns mocking in slavery saying it. we did it. we pulled this off. yeah. and you know, when i remember when i read the book, you know, early on i said, where did you get the courage, you know, to do that. yes. yeah. and where did you get the motivation in a way. i mean, that's one of the things i just think of in a practical sense, is he's running this shoe making business by day. he's helping organize these escapes by night. when does he find time to, you know, settle down, light a candle or whatever and, you know, write up these that he then mails off to. but somehow he did it. you mentioned the odd couple. so charles story is about a years younger. he he was not from wealthy family outside boston but he was from a well-connected his parents died of tuberculosis this and he was by a grandfather who had actually served i