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tory mp waking up this is another one., what does it mean for the general election? that will make you really worried. good to have a graphic of the day, thank you very much, great stuff. we will go to blackpool because very quickly this morning, as you would expect, labour leader sir keir starmer went to blackpool and spoke to our political correspondent helen catt. we want that general election and we are confident going into that general election because what this by—election shows is that the country wants change. this is a very clear divide. we've had 1a years of failure and decline. we've just got chaos on division from the tories. people want to turn the page on that and go forward with labour and our positive plan for the country. yes, why so cautious when you've had such a big win? we want a general election. we want to win that general election. we want to take our country forward. and i thank every single person who voted labour yesterday and put their trust in a changed labour party. but politics and by—electio

it could have been the tory _ have been the tory plan. it could have been the tory plan. - have been the tory plan. it could have been the tory plan. the - have been the tory plan. the substance of it is very different but the rebranding is very important. and there has been an almighty argument going on between the unions and labour over watering down, or not watering down some of these plans. that argument is not done. i know there are meetings going on today and there were meetings yesterday, and there has been a battle going backwards and forwards over whether or not labour can do the full fat version of its plans, which we understand keir starmer is nervous about and some people in the business community feel nervous about the full fat version of the plans, and then particularly sharon graham, the prominent leader of the unite union, a hugely powerful affiliate of the labour party, was party goes through a sheaf of paper, who has said today the plan is like swiss cheese and is full of holes. so it will be really interesting to see wh

the tory party-— didn't start it off with a bang for - the tory party._ labour the tory party.nd labour? labour is meetin: the tory party. and labour? labour is meeting today — the tory party. and labour? labour is meeting today to _ the tory party. and labour? labour is meeting today to try _ the tory party. and labour? labour is meeting today to try to _ the tory party. and labour? labour is meeting today to try to tell - is meeting today to try to tell people who they are, which is significant in itself. keir starmer has been leader of the labour party for more than four years and nobody seems to know what he stands for. there are good reasons for this. he has somersaulted and you turned on just about every position that he took during his period injeremy corbyn�*s shadow cabinet, and everything from climate change through to university tuition fees, reform of the house of lords, you name it, he has reversed it. so the big problem for labour if there were to be a realfight big problem for labour if there were to be a real fight going big problem for labour if there were to b

the tories.e plan for the country. celebrating this morning for labour, not so much for the conservatives who have a lot to chew over from the results in blackpool south, not only losing votes in such large numbers to labour but they also seem to have lost a sizeable chunk to reform. at one point in the evening there was a thought reform could have picked them to second place, they didn't, them to second place, they didn't, the conservatives managed to stave off what would have been a nightmare scenario for them in that case. but only by the case of about 100 votes. there will be a lot of chewing over for the conservatives to do. the vote has collapsed here, down 30 percentage points, they will have to look at what happened here last night. for labour, conservative spokesperson had suggested this was always going to be difficult for them, given the circumstances surrounding why the by—election came about in the first place, relating to the previous mp scott benton. but i think labour this morning

if you say ou are tories on the way down. if you say you are becoming _ tories on the way down.n. if you say you are becoming the opposition l tories on the way down. if you say| you are becoming the opposition to the labour party in some areas, is the labour party in some areas, is the truth not that if they vote for you, they take votes away from the conservatives and they get labour? the more reform voters, the more opportunities we can get. there is no difference between the two parties. the highest government spending for 70 years, higher taxation for 70 years, the worst public sector outcomes, west grove 70 years, and the longest per person recession we are in for 70 years. —— the worst growth for 70 years. labour's plans will not achieve any economic growth whatsoever. we hear nothing on that. we have a bold plan to make work pay, to get to zero waiting list on health care, absolutely essential, and so many areas of british life that need fundamental reform. you areas of british life that need fundamental reform. you said word was getting — fundamental reform. you said wo

forget about tory or laboun everyone. forget about tory or labour.word politician is a turn off for many. labour have also been stung by their support for israel following the october 7th attacks. labour saw support dip in some of its traditional heartland areas, with large muslim populations losing seats in newcastle and overall control in oldham . the overall control in oldham. the british muslim vote is going to be a key electoral factor in the years ahead. and what about reform uk? well, as predicted, they've made things worse for they've made things worse for the tories as election guru sir john curtice points out in the telegraph today. in those areas where reform fielded a candidate, the conservative vote fell more quickly than harry kanein fell more quickly than harry kane in the penalty box. but whilst things look terminal for rishi sunak , let me issue a word rishi sunak, let me issue a word of caution. turnout was low, which means it's all to play for among the don't knows. in fact, among the don't knows. in fact, a don't know prime minist

jacob young from the tories , a pollster. the legend tories, a pollster. haven't we? >> we've got it all, all of that. after your weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on gb news. >> morning. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. again, some places looking fairly soggy today, but it should be a brighter day across parts of the south. and another mostly fine and sunny day across northwest scotland and elsewhere. though a lot of cloud around this morning. outbreaks of rain still over the midlands, wales, parts of southeast england, some heavier. rain coming into parts of northern england as well. we'll see a few showers developing for northern ireland, southwest scotland, but say most of scotland again set fair and again on the west coast. we could easily see temperatures up to 20 celsius cooler on the east coast, with a brisk breeze here and obviously much cooler than yesterday , much cooler than yesterday, where we've got the cloud and rain over the midlands parts of northwest

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and even the people who like the tories, half of them are sick of the tories.they founded the reform party. so he's putting a brave face on it. he's saying it's going to be okay, everything's going to be okay. don't worry about it, everything's going to be okay. but as i said before, everything's not okay. it's the tories are dead, i think. >> i mean, are you this pessimistic because i've heard some people say, you know, there are some chinks of light for the for the tories in the election results. there's the tees valley mayor stayed on. that's about it. yeah, but but famously over history, the local elections haven't always been replicated within the general election because people are voting for different things. >> and i think i saw a statistic on friday that said that this would have meant that labour would have meant that labour would have meant that labour would have won a 29% majority, now, 29% is not as big as people are predicting, right? so it is possible, particularly with, you don't mean 29. what do i mean? >> 20? do you mean 29? >> 20? do you mean

you tories and their pro'ected vote. you are seeinu tories and their projected vote.uge labour victory a crushing labour victory in the general election? h0. victory in the general election? no, i see another— victory in the general election? iifr, i see another thing which is, i think there's a huge expectation in the country that the polls will be translated into a labour victory in the general election and i think we are seeing what the public will be looking like if there were a labour government and so what the contours of that. first, tories who distanced themselves from the tory brand and have good local profiles will win such as andy street, ben hooch in the polls. you also see local factors in a place like oldham where there is a huge independent vote in oldham which in the last three elections has taken the labour leader in each election so there is something big going on there. can i ask ou something big going on there. can i ask you about _ something big going on there. can i ask you about that? _ something big going on there. can i ask you about that? cle

the job of the tories is to be the tories.genda which they have been, then they will lose votes and they are losing out to reform. so, you know , out to reform. so, you know, that's that's the way it goes, shaun. >> why not? why just stop at maybe veering to the right slightly? why not play dirty a little bit. you know, you're already in the gutter. >> it's there's two things i'd say, when i ran for mayor, one of the mistakes sadiq khan made is when he. when he personally attacked me and he started to play attacked me and he started to play dirty. the public don't like that . what the public are like that. what the public are interested in is who's going to do for them playing dirty just means you look like someone who can't represent people who don't share their political views. that's the first thing. the second thing is the tories needs to be the tories. i personally think the win is in in the middle ground. i disagree slightly with nana. we haven't beenin slightly with nana. we haven't been in the middle, we've been veerin

london, whereas susan hall, the tory candidate, polls ahead of the tory london london, tory vote, ifing. so he's not got the same, he's a bit more controversial , shall we say. controversial, shall we say. sadiq khan. >> he's very divisive. i think he's very well he has a divisive policy, the ulez. >> yeah. and i think that has defined as a person he is glory. >> i think it's fair to say. i think it's fair to say , go on think it's fair to say, go on glory. yeah. it's true. you know, she knows. it's true. >> i think that is down to, the ulez, which has been controversial and actually cost labour winning the uxbridge by—election. >> lots of ulez . and we are >> lots of ulez. and we are going to be talking to wes streeting, the shadow health secretary, a little later because he took a rather strong stance on twitter to try and get people not to vote for the conservative candidate in london, susan. susan hall i mean, susan hall just isn't as well known. she just isn't as well known. she just isn't as well known. >> that could be beneficial. >> that could be beneficial. >> work in her fa

but some of those tory klingons.ur you'll hear from reaction from nigel farage. might reform have underperformed tonight, but also george galloway will be here to talk through his candidates, particularly in rochdale. all that to come and more with experts , psephologists and those

labour taking rushmoor in hampshire from the tories . so council the tories tories.of a major by—election loss back in 2021. >> and labour have also just lost control of oldham after losing seats to independence . losing seats to independence. >> so let's have a look at the key panel there for you. and so there's a lot still to play for in all of this. but labour up 52 at the moment. tories down 121. you've got to see if they get any worse than that. sort of 450,500 loss mark. lib dems up 17, greens up 12. others which is interesting. up 39. i don't really know if, if there's any if you read anything into the others at the moment. let's talk to our political correspondent katherine forster. good morning . katherine forster. good morning. i mean, we're looking at the at the top two in all of this are we were we knew it was going to be bad for the tories, but it seems to be looking at what we've had in so far. if you sort of follow that through, it does look like their worst case scenario. >> it does. and potentially they might expect to lose 500 council seats. it look

how bad was this for the tories? >> really bad for the tories. these results are exactly what you would expect to see from a government that is about to be thrown out of office. they have been losing councils in all of the wrong places. in every part of the country, we are seeing marginal parliamentary seats, they are getting thrown out of office. i suspect we will see more tomorrow. the one shining light for rishi sunak was the victory four hao-ching. we may see some other big wins for rishi sunak, possibly in the west midlands, possibly even in london. do not let that deceive you. mayoral politics is often very personality based. the wider picture in terms of whether people want to turn out and vote tory is not good for rishi sunak at all. >> interesting as well. rishi sunak stuck a smile, went out and said the results show the voters are going to stick with us. where does he come up with that? >> what else can he say? he will just come out and go it looks like we are toast. but it feels like we does. he went to north yorkshire and his own cons

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and that's what reform can do with the tories . reform can do with the tories.leader where they're not being sufficiently conservative, is that david? >> nobody knows who he is or he's a cream faced loon, to use a shakespearean expression. >> okay . he, he to me he's he's >> okay. he, he to me he's he's spacious . he says nothing. >> okay. he, he to me he's he's spacious. he says nothing. he smiles a lot. he gets his hammer out , knocks down a few blue bricks. >> they're normal, traditional role being a protester. no, but hang on. >> is somebody going to actually examine ed davey role in the post office scandal ? because he post office scandal? because he was involved in that in a huge way and used the same defence which that lady miss vennells is using today? oh, nobody told me. oh, my officials didn't tell me. that's not leadership. >> the lib dems are far, far removed from when they were electorally successful, and even when they were electorally successful, they never really came close to government with the exception of the time in coalition. but you look a

i asked one mp, a red wall, a blue collar tory, red wall, tory mp , collar tory, red wall, tory mp, whye, he says simply , he gave up, and he says simply, he gave up, and he should have stepped aside. that's obviously critic of mr sunak. but others are equally or don't understand why he's done it so early. they think it's madness because, you're not allowing for a second budget in september 2nd, maybe two, interest rate cuts by the bank of england and, net net migration falling , illegal migration falling, illegal migration falling, illegal migration starting to be dealt with with the rwanda plan , with with the rwanda plan, falling inflation, a booming economy , and so on. there are economy, and so on. there are other areas that could have worked for the pm, and labour advisers told me the same, but instead in the rain, he's gone early. it's the biggest gamble i can remember by a sitting mp, by a sitting prime minister, and we'll see if it works . we'll see if it works. >> thank you for bringing us up to speed. i can tell you this huge reaction online, as you would, expect, nigel farag

separately, a number— a tory government? separately, a number of— a tory government? tory colleagues have said to me _ number of your tory colleagues have said to me that it is good riddance to natalie — said to me that it is good riddance to natalie elphicke. do said to me that it is good riddance to natalie elphicke.— to natalie elphicke. do you agree with them? _ to natalie elphicke. do you agree with them? robert, _ to natalie elphicke. do you agree with them? robert, thanks. - to natalie elphicke. do you agree with them? robert, thanks. on l to natalie elphicke. do you agree i with them? robert, thanks. on this question about the past and the future. i'm not standing here pretending that everything has been perfect about the last 14 years, of course not. but i'm incredibly proud of our record in government, and some of the most difficult circumstances that any government has faced since the end of the second world war, not least starting with our country that was bankrupt. whether you look at the economy, the transformation in our schools, the strengthening of ou

and when it comes down to tory versus anti—tory, the anti—tory forces seem to be in the ascendancy acrossry right now. >> let's look at what happens next. we note that tim shipman has written in the sunday times, johnson in touch with to farage realign the right. your response to that, james? >> these are the two big characters, the right in british politics, aren't they? and they dominated the last election. i think what's so striking now is how few kind of great characters there are on the conservative side. i don't think it will be this side of the election. i think farage will come back in some capacity, do a big sort of 6 or 7 week campaign in not run for clacton. >> i mean, that's what's been rumoured in the papers this morning because it's the only seat he might have a chance of winning, having tried seven times and failed, i think, do you think he'll just be there in a kind of figurehead role rather than running as an mp? >> i think people talk about him. it's like cincinnati style. they're going to plough, you know. you know, he's there in westminster. you know, he's about he jus

just how bad was his for the tories? really, really bad for the tories.xactly what you would expect to see for a government that's about to be thrown out of office. the tories have been losing councils and all the wrong places. in every part of the country we're seeing a marginal parliamentary seats, seeing their counsellors getting thrown out of office and i suspect will see more office and i suspect will see more of that tomorrow. the ones sort of shining light for rishi sunak was a victory for ben halogen in tees valley. we may see some big mmmeee oral wins are rishi sunak possibly in the west midlands, possibly even in the west midlands, possibly even in london is the rumor. mayoral politics is often very personality based. the wider picture in terms of whether people want to turn out and vote tory is not good for rishi sunak at all.— sunak at all. interesting in teesside- _ sunak at all. interesting in teesside. he _ sunak at all. interesting in teesside. he stuck- sunak at all. interesting in teesside. he stuck a - sunak at all. interesting in | tee

and that's what reform can do with the tories . reform can do with the tories.leader where they're not being sufficiently conservative, is that david? >> nobody knows who he is or he's a cream faced loon, to use a shakespearean expression. >> okay . he, he to me he's he's >> okay. he, he to me he's he's spacious . he says nothing. >> okay. he, he to me he's he's spacious. he says nothing. he smiles a lot. he gets his hammer out , knocks down a few blue bricks. >> they're normal, traditional role being a protester. no, but hang on. >> is somebody going to actually examine ed davey role in the post office scandal ? because he post office scandal? because he was involved in that in a huge way and used the same defence which that lady miss vennells is using today? oh, nobody told me. oh, my officials didn't tell me. that's not leadership. >> the lib dems are far, far removed from when they were electorally successful, and even when they were electorally successful, they never really came close to government with the exception of the time in coalition. but you look a

for the tories. ., ., ., ., for the tories. trevor kavanagh, the political columnist, _ for the tories. trevor kavanagh, the political columnist, thank— for the tories. trevor kavanagh, the political columnist, thank you. - let's go live to our political correspondent, iain watson, who is on the bus with the labour leader. for security reasons, we can't say exactly where the speech will be, but it is in the south east of england. we were talking about how circular is going to target undecided voters. what else is he going to say in this first major speech of the campaign? it is his first major speech of the campaign and we don't expect any new policy from him. i can be a bit more specific about where we are. we are in west sussex, and it's interesting that he chose this area because in the recent council elections in may, labour did very well. historically, they have had virtually no presence. in one of the local council is here that was controlled by the conservatives for more than 20 years, it was the lib dems people tend to

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because as because they tories were expecting tory mps were expecting tory mps were expecting to havemonths after they decided not to go before the locals, 5 or 6 months for the economic story to get a lot better . and we saw today lot better. and we saw today reasonable inflation number, but not a brilliant one. we're definitely not going to get an interest rate cut now, because the bank is not going to cut interest rates in the middle of a general election campaign when it was coming and going. anyway. so there goes, the interest rate cut and a couple of interest rate cuts would have really set things up for the for the general election. if you were a tory in terms of doing it. but as nigel says, you know, do you want a couple of interest rate cuts or do you want reform having six months to get its act together? so a difficult decision. but i think it's a bizarre choice of doing it now. it's a bizarre choice of setting for the beginning. i mean, you could have gone to tees valley and posed with ben houchen, and you don't have to do it in downing street. you could have got, you know,

tories went for bold, bi, labour has been on. tories went for bold. big. new— labour has been on.w policy _ labour has been on. tories went for bold, big, new policy offering - labour has been on. tories went for bold, big, new policy offering and l bold, big, new policy offering and the campaign early on. labour wear hearing from messages that they've been trying to put out there for many months even before the general election campaign starts with a labours rachel reeves was out today trying to talk about her message of economic stability, talking about change is stability. i think it labour are keen to make that connection back to liz truss, the economic chaos caused by the many budget. that's what they will say time and time again. talking about how labour can't be trusted with the —— can be trusted with the economy. not to raise income tax or national insurance, she made a point if labour were to win the election. bearing in mind that labour have also got self imposed for school rules. a commitmentjust like the conservatives to get debt falling. that leaves them in a tricky p

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the tories are on the way down. the way down. and the green party — tories are on the way down. and the green party is _ tories are on the way down. and the green party is volunteering - tories are on the way down. and the green party is volunteering a - tories are on the way down. and the green party is volunteering a bow. l green party is volunteering a bow. this is hastings in east sussex. the trend of the greens' steady rise in global politics continues. b, global politics continues. fantastic set of results for the green party, the fifth local election in a row where we scored a record number of green councillors being elected, winning seats in all corners of the country from labour and the conservatives, in rural and urban areas alike. the and the conservatives, in rural and urban areas alike.— urban areas alike. the democratic rocess urban areas alike. the democratic process comes — urban areas alike. the democratic process comes with _ urban areas alike. the democratic process comes with certain - urban area

it's the tories michael gove.opposition party destroying, aspiration, hating labour party. >> boris backing conservatives are allegedly blocked from standing . what's going on? also, standing. what's going on? also, i grew up working class , i've i grew up working class, i've been fighting all my life and i won't stop now. it's sir keir starmer lying about being working class. i've got tomorrow's front pages with broadcasting royalty, john sergeant's apprentice finalist joana jarjue and political commentator alex armstrong. commentator alex arm strong. plus, commentator alex armstrong. plus, who is ex—trump adviser steve bannon talking about here. >> gutless and feckless . and >> gutless and feckless. and we're unclubbable and we're proud of it. okay get ready britain. >> here we go . >> here we go. do voters actually care about net zero? next . net zero? next. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. andrea leadsom has become the latest mp to announce that she will not be standing at the general elect

the tories 26 points behind laboun the tories 26 points behind labour.minute coverage right here on gb news. how bad could things be for rishi sunak tonight, do you think? >> well, that yougov poll is absolutely. >> i mean, the tories are polling at 18, which is sort of lord bucket territory, isn't it really . there. the gap now with really. there. the gap now with reform is three points. i mean it's absolutely it's absolutely dreadful. yeah i you know, i think it could be absolutely terrible. they're probably on course to lose 400 seats if they lose many more than that then you know rish should be out the doorin you know rish should be out the door in 48 hours, i think. do you think? well, i know a lot of conservative mps are have been waiting to see these results. they'll be looking very closely at how reform is performing in various areas . they'll be various areas. they'll be looking at the vote share. it's interesting. patrick matthew will back me up on this because i've been doing a lot of swotting you the local election results don't map on exactl

the tories say make them vote. the tories say make them serve.s vote? >> labour's wes streeting now says you're not a bigot. if you want to protect women's changing rooms. and he wishes he'd spoken up sooner. but does this fly in the face of labour's other policy to make it easier for adults to change their gender and tax, tax, tax? >> jeremy hunt says that he's going to slash your taxes if he remains as chancellor, while rachel reeves promises she won't raise national insurance and income tax if she lands the

is with the tories, the time for chan . e. . with the tories, the time for chan . e. , . . with the toriesall see. the result we have had is stockport council. it has gone, nobody has overall control, it was already being run by the lib dems as a minority, the world for being able to take control of it. susan, you're going to leave us shortly but were saying earlier that you hoped it would be able to show progress in stockport but it appears you have just fallen short of holding it, taking it outright. latte just fallen short of holding it, taking it outright.— just fallen short of holding it, taking it outright. just fallen short of holding it, takin: it outriaht. ~ ., ., . , taking it outright. we got two games auainst taking it outright. we got two games against labour _ taking it outright. we got two games against labour in _ taking it outright. we got two games against labour in those _ taking it outright. we got two games against labour in those areas, - against labour in those areas, cheadle — against labour in those areas, cheadle and _ against labour in those areas, cheadle and ha

yet you welcome tories . what do you you welcome tories.robably guess who they are. some of them who would make that argument to you. >> we want to be a party that can bring this country back together after the tories have divided it. every single tory mp and every single tory voter that comes over to the labour party is more than welcome, because they are backing a changed labour party, unrecognisable from the labour party that lost the last general election , the last general election, offering the country its future back after these years of failure under under the conservatives, i mean, natalie elphicke is only doing what a lot of conservative voters have done. if north yorkshire, we won the mayoralty there. that used to be rock solid tory heartlands. all the, the home of the british army, rushmoor council voted a labour council for the first time last week. so tories are coming across to labourin tories are coming across to labour in their droves because they've given up on their party's failure and they're investing their hope in keir

tories got a problem with young eo - le? ., . tories got a problem with young eo . le?al living wage to a record level to make sure those on the lowest incomes have had significant rises. your point about tuition fees, i strongly believe in tuition fees, i strongly believe in tuition fees, i strongly believe in tuition fees for this reason. if you look at the part of the uk where they don't exist, that means what you do is you limit opportunities by limiting the number of people that can go to university. if you come from a poor background in scotland you are less likely to have the chance of going to university than someone from the same background in england. someone from the same background in encland. ., , england. even though it is free? yes, england. even though it is free? yes. because — england. even though it is free? yes, because what _ england. even though it is free? yes, because what they - england. even though it is free? yes, because what they do - england. even though it is free? yes, because what they do in i yes, because what they do in scotland is the

~ ., ., . circumstances a coalition with the tories? ., �* ~ ., ., . ., tories?ore clearly i can — tories? i don't know how much more clearly i can say _ tories? i don't know how much more clearly i can say this _ tories? i don't know how much more clearly i can say this for _ tories? i don't know how much more clearly i can say this for you. - tories? i don't know how much more clearly i can say this for you. a - clearly i can say this for you. a vote for the liberal democrats as a vote for the liberal democrats as a vote to remove the conservatives from government. what happens then is up to the voters and, you know, we are at the start of a six—week campaign, that is where the debate has got to centre. but, really, it is notjust talking about power deals after the election — what really matters to the people that we talk to out on the doorsteps, daily, is the quality of care that they can get for their family is the quality of care that they can get for theirfamily in is the quality of care that they can get for their family in the nhs, is the quality of care

they're just not voting for the tories. and perhaps , but that's tories. and perhaps, but that's how it always works. >> if you look at the history books, actually a lot of these same arguments were made about tony blair in 1997. he was referred to as not very popular, as quite boring. he was called bambi blair. so and if you go back further than that, you go to margaret thatcher. she was not remotely radical when she was going for her first general election. she was extremely cautious. nothing like the thatcher that governed. and so actually, what keir starmer is doing is typically what these leaders have done to get into power. >> i think there's a lot more enthusiasm for tony blair in 97 than there is for starmer now. >> but i bet you actually, i bet you £10 that there will be a bigger. well, you know, i don't have your kind of private school money, but i bet you that there will be a bigger swing under keir starmer than there was under tony blair in 1990. that's just going to be due to apathy, i think. >> i think that's just going to be no. >> it'll be

. >> the tories, the tories. >> the tories, the tories. >> we can win. >> we can win. >> but the toriesded . this is a great divided. this is a great opportunity for labour, who looked like a tight unit at the moment . moment. >> yeah, there's a discipline and, you know, whatever you say about starmer, he's got a determination to win and take us over the line, which we haven't had for ten years. >> but you, but you. >> but you, but you. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and this doesn't mean the last word because the clock's against us. >> this desire for change. yeah. is the desire for a magic wand. the issues that face countries like ours are substantial ones. and they need real application. they don't just need edwina. >> your lot . your lot have had >> your lot. your lot have had 14 years. surely it is time for a fresh, fresh set of voices, a fresh set of ideas. >> that's what they said back in 92.and >> that's what they said back in 92. and we got another few years and we did very well. well, there you go. >> listen, we'll get to more of my pundits thoughts in just a moment. but next

they've all insisted many tory mps they've all insisted many tory mp5 i they've all insisted many tory mps i speak to, no doubt yourself. all insist that the home office is rowing in a different direction. they don't support the government on their forcible immigration policy. they hate rwanda. they pretty much open borders. and their mindset. is that true ? so does mindset. is that true? so does this report have a point or are they just kind of passing the buck, the first bit, no, i don't think is true. the second bit about the report about the idea of splitting the home office, is reasonable that that as olivia said, it is huge. it's unwieldy. you mentioned you mentioned windrush, which was quite interesting. they knew about windrush, they knew what was going on. but the home office has to firefight all the time. so anything that wasn't urgent, you put on the back burner. that's how the windrush scandal ended up happening. if you split off immigration, made it a single department under a cabinet minister, as many tory mps want. it would probably be an awful lot more efficient. can i