the tories?ect even a scintilla of recognition of what happened earlier this month from the tories. >> yeah, it kind of feels i mean, it's very i mean, it becomes a problem, doesn't it, when political parties become very inward looking, it, it, as you say, becomes a big problem. and i think you know, they this is what i said on one of your shows. i think it was a couple of weeks ago. it's almost like they need to be fined. what are they need to be fined. what are they about? they need to be fined. what is the vision? what what is the conservatives about? what is the vision for this country? because if they're not convinced of that, they're not going to convince the british public. you know, and you know, i agree with some of these comments. you know, like voters can smell when you're almost like, not you're not believing in what they're saying, and you're not kind of listening to what they're saying. and they need to listen. they need to kind of eat the humble pie. but also, i do think they need

the tories?t even a scintilla of recognition of what happened earlier this month from the tories. >> yeah, it kind of feels i mean, it's very i mean, it becomes a problem, doesn't it, when political parties become very inward looking, it, it, as you say, becomes a big problem. and i think you know, they this is what i said on one of your shows. i think it was a couple of weeks ago. it's almost like they need to be fined. what are they need to be fined. what are they about? they need to be fined. what is the vision? what what is the conservatives about? what is the vision for this country? because if they're not convinced of that, they're not going to convince the british public. you know, and you know, i agree with some of these comments. you know, like voters can smell when you're almost like, not you're not believing in what they're saying, and you're not kind of listening to what they're saying. and they need to listen. they need to kind of eat the humble pie. but also, i do think they need to

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but the tories were the tories.s were the tories. but the tories are dead and gone and there's no i'm sorry to say it, there's no i'm sorry to say it, there's no i'm sorry to say it, there's no place for the tories anymore. and we're just waiting for them to totally crumble. >> really? or will they adapt? and we can talk about this later a bit when they become more and more like reform, or will they go back to the centre, the so—called centre, which i don't believe we will. >> we will come to this a bit later on. i want to keep my powder dry. okay there is another story here though. >> let's do that then. >> let's do that then. >> blair, blair, ally drafted in to drive nhs reform. now, of course, we've known for some time that tony blair is in the background, much like, you know, obama, the obamas are behind, joe biden. i dare you. >> it's his wife. it's clearly his wife. yeah, yeah, they must be. >> yeah. his wife. yeah. it can't be him, can it? he doesn't know where he is. >> he's a hologram. >> he's a hologram. >

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what does he make of the tory candidates vying to replace him as tory leader?by the environment secretary, steve reed. will the government continue to lay the ground for a there's no money left statement tomorrow , and i'm going to be tomorrow, and i'm going to be joined by lord craig mackinlay and ask him who would be best suhed and ask him who would be best suited to lead the tories and see off the threat from nigel rafe. i was going to say nigel reform nigel farage and reform and dave rich is going to share his new book, which looks at why anti—semitism is still a huge issue today . even more so, of issue today. even more so, of course, after the events of october 7. but i'm delighted to be joined now by shadow paymaster general john glen, the mp for salisbury and south wiltshire. lovely to see you this morning, mr glen. thank you so much for your time on a sunny sunday. yeah let's talk about labour continually suggesting that they didn't know what economic legacy they were inheriting. i mean, you were in the treasury for five years. we'll get on to whether

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should we talk about tory leadership ? i mean, about tory leadership? we must, i'm afraid, charlie , we must, i'm afraid, charlie, i've got suella braverman coming on later. are you a fan of hers, >> no. i think, suella, will make a very, very good backbench constituency mp. and she may even appear in some other role at some other stage, but i think leading the conservative party, having, during 2 or 3 prime ministers time tarnished it. >> and clearly i see the observer's got the runners and riders up. i mean, her odds are quite high, but they're, it's they're better actually for i think kemi badenoch and penny mordaunt now out of the race completely as everything to play for. but do you think they should sort of appoint somebody now that they want for the duration of the next five years, or should they think about an interim leader now and then regroup? ids iain duncan smith thinks that they should have a huge period of reflection before doing anything, and just keep rishi sunak in place. >> so i think that might be just a little bit too difficult. i m

nigel hates the tories . many of them hates the tories. many of them can't stand him.you've got the one nation tories who are more left wing than liberal democrats. it's a right royal mess, but the right have to unite or they will die. your thoughts gbnews.com/yoursay. i'll get to your messages shortly. but first, tonight's top pundits and in the studio with me, legendary fleet street journalist nina myskow and historian and politics guru. the one and only david oldroyd. bolt lovely to see both of you. comedian sajeela khurshid is on her way. she sat on a train . her way. she sat on a train. that's all going to be fixed under labour, isn't it? nina myskow. well, hopefully. yes, that's right, they're taking taking the trains back into pubuc taking the trains back into public hands as soon as possible. >> well, look at the disaster that the trains are now. look at.look that the trains are now. look at. look at the west coast line . at. look at the west coast line. dreadful. all the shareholders making, you know, bucket loads of money and you can't get a train for love an

newly elected tory mp , one of 121 suella. tory mp, one of 121 suella. can we just cut to the chase? are you standing? >> oh, gosh , i know camilla. >> oh, gosh, i know camilla. >> oh, gosh, i know camilla. >> you want. you want the drama, you want the headlines ? i'm you want the headlines? i'm going to have to disappoint you. why? no announcements? listen >> why, why why are you holding back? because it's obvious from your speech when you won your seat on thursday night, early friday morning. it's been obvious from some of the op eds you've written before. the election. it's certainly obvious from what you've written in the sunday telegraph today that you are to use the press expression on manoeuvres. so why not just confirm that you want to lead the party? >> listen. because unlike 2019, and unlike in 2022, we are we have the luxury of being in opposition. there is no urgency to install a new leader. what is urgent and absolutely essential now is that we as a party, reflect and accept what got us into this existentially damaging situation and at the m

the tories are not i the railways. the tories are not coherent— the railways.- the railways. the tories are not coherent at the moment and i the railways. the tories are noti coherent at the moment and you the railways. the tories are not - coherent at the moment and you have voices— coherent at the moment and you have voices from _ coherent at the moment and you have voices from the — coherent at the moment and you have voices from the left _ coherent at the moment and you have voices from the left within _ coherent at the moment and you have voices from the left within the - voices from the left within the party i— voices from the left within the party, i think— voices from the left within the party, i think a _ voices from the left within the party, i think a lot _ voices from the left within the party, i think a lot of- voices from the left within the party, i think a lot of it- voices from the left within the party, i think a lot of it is- party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, _ party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, i— party, i thin

anti—tory vote could not decide where to— the anti—tory vote could not decide where to go. the anti-tory country. and he's continuing to visit seats that labour didn't win in the last general election. there is the sense of that growing confidence around the labour campaign, despite the very cautious public messaging. because of course it's the conservatives who are going around saying that they think the country could be heading for a labour, as they put it, supermajority. i asked sir keir starmer about mel stride, the work and pensions comments earlier on today, and sir keir said they amounted to voter suppression because of course what labour really don't want people to think is that this is a done deal and therefore they don't need to go out and bother voting for them. hence why we keep hearing sir keir starmer talking about, if you want change, you have got to go out and vote for it. now, as i say, they are pretty cautious in the public messaging, they don't want to look complacent or arrogant. but speaking to labour activists, and campaigners over the last couple of days, the mood

i think the tories threw it away.ishi sunak actually , i sunak rishi sunak actually, i think was fairly, fairly competent and capable in the last sort of six months or so, he was picking up the messy pieces of what lay before him. the tories threw it away when they got rid of boris johnson. all those new mps, boris helped get elected. they stabbed him in the back. >> he was the same thing all over again. he's just a continuity candidate. exactly. with diversity, they just wanted somebody who was exactly like everything that came before. not a conservative. >> you say that rishi sunak was good looking and handing out money. i think you confuse wanting a sugar daddy for wanting a sugar daddy for wanting a sugar daddy for wanting a prime minister and by this point, i think the country was firmly, you know, waking up with the fag ash breath and the hangover and just wanted rid of the lot of them. i did not know what you were going to say there. >> i know this segment is really taking a turn. >> i think the question of wha

i mean tory members.tactic for the members to tell them that you would be open to a merger. >> so we've got to have a debate with the membership. we've got not knock chunks out of each other, as you suggested, but actually have a proper debate about the future of the conservative party. i want a leader who is a full on legitimate, low tax , small legitimate, low tax, small state, freedom loving, strong national, defence conservative. i think priti patel is that figure. and then we've got to set out a policy platform as conservatives that can excite the nation to vote for us whenever that next election comes, just quickly. >> and finally, greg, so the nominations, i think, close on monday. yeah. when are we expecting priti patel to be be on that ballot? do we think we've got the nomination papers? >> we were only issued with them today and i have every confidence they'll be in by the deadline. on monday. >> lovely stuff greg, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. thank you very, very much. th

you probably ex tory person.nservative in your views, but the conservative party were not conservative. they did not appear to subscribe to conservative views. in fact, most people would say they were liberal. others would even say that they'd gone to the left. and in fact, the labour party are more right than the conservatives. so let's be honest here. they didn't deserve the vote. so why should the pubuc the vote. so why should the public vote for them just for fear of a labour party getting in? >> no, i absolutely see where you're coming from there. i mean, the short facts of the matter is nana they were not conservative. i'm afraid boris won this huge victory, especially on the backs of working class brexiteers. places like my old patch , blackpool like my old patch, blackpool voting for boris to get brexit done. but they also voted for things such as levelling up. they voted for immigration to be reduced and whichever way you look, i'm afraid the government have let people down on different issues in differe

the tories have lost it.r after years of a couple of years of political turmoil, chopping and changing of the leader , leader, changing of the leader, leader, leaders, division within the party, it's not been good. but nobody really, if you talk to anybody on the streets, knew what sir keir starmer is going to do. he's talked about smashing the gangs when it comes to immigration. okay. but what does that entail? he's talked about scrapping rwanda . okay. so about scrapping rwanda. okay. so what's the replacement? we just have absolutely. and freezing taxes, certain taxes. but he's not ruled out putting other taxes up. the country has walked in to a new government this morning meeting for the first time around that cabinet table with absolutely no idea about what direction this country is going to go in. and that is , i'm going to go in. and that is, i'm afraid, quite alarming. >> johanna, how long is the honeymoon period going to last? how long do we you know, how long, how much grace do we give this lot befo

under a tory government.ack in with the times with a story about one of biden's, biden's, joe biden's childhood paintings. lewis. >> oh, sorry. oh i get i get the joke. it's a joke. yeah, it's a joke, all right, because you make you you and your jokes. >> he's very old. you see. >> yeah, i get it, i get it. so this is a cave painting from 52,000 years ago. is the world's oldest story. it's the oldest cave painting. it's a painting. and it's in an island of sulawesi, which is the island between borneo and papua new guinea. >> so probably not actually an ice age. in fact, i was probably wrong about that in the earlier interview, because i would imagine they stayed ice free even during that period. >> oh, i hadn't even thought about that. yeah, well, it was probably, it was probably some kind of bridge or something. this is before they were growing rice in the thing which people think is forever. but it's only a couple 50,000 years ago they were in indonesia. yeah. >> and that was when they were supposed to come

they didn't vote. >> they hated the tories. >> they hated the tories. >> they hated the tories. >> theee more houses built. >> they hated the tories. >> they hated the tories. >> they hated the tories. >> the people want security and they want the fundamental issues of their daily lives, which is not boat crossings to be dealt with. >> all right, kelvin, i'm going to give you the last word. oh, really? right. go on. but on a slightly different angle, how long is it before we on the right can credibly criticise labour for failing on immigration? when we failed for 14 years? >> yeah, i think for some time yet for some time, however, with having farage. right who actually his his hands are clean on this issue. right. and in fact they are sparkling . he has fact they are sparkling. he has them done nicely every day like that. right. he is in great shape actually having farage holding starmer to account will be one of the great parliamentary moments of our time. >> well, thank you to my panel coming up. thames water has said that it has so much debt that it needs massively to increase price

, speaking to tories privately, speaking to tories privately, speaking to people who are standing for minister, who knows what's going on. can't predict for sure what's going to happen tomorrow. it's down to voters. but speaking to people in the tory campaign, seeing how the mood has changed, they're not optimistic at all.— not optimistic at all. nick, quite a few really big _ not optimistic at all. nick, quite a few really big names _ not optimistic at all. nick, quite a few really big names in _ not optimistic at all. nick, quite a few really big names in politics i few really big names in politics from all parties have decided not to stand, some because they've been in parliament a very long time. but we potentially could see some other big names no longer in the house of commons after tomorrow. that house is going to look very different. it is, and you could be losing a lot of the conservative face is that people have got to know over the last few years. there a lot of names in the mix. there seats that are looking extremely tight. parts of the south of england, where the lib dems

i would do this if i was the tory party. i'd put some of the tory party.ut some of the old guard up, like the jeremy hunt's of this world and their only job is to hold labour to account on a day to day business level in the house of commons, fighting against the ludicrous votes for 16. i mean, you've got to have an airing there. but let's be clear, with there. but let's be clear, with the majority of 170, this stuff's going to pass right? it's not really it doesn't really matter in parliament how the conservatives vote. it's a colossal majority. it's about the public debate. so i'd ask the public debate. so i'd ask the old hands, like jeremy hunt, who i understand has no leadership ambitions to try and run the opposition . well, the run the opposition. well, the rest of the party, the next generation of the party decides what its leadership is. i think you can do that in parallel. >> i mean, they're eating themselves alive at the moment. you've got kemi badenoch taking a machine gun to that shadow cabinet and saying, you know, oh yeah, i'm dead against lea

but you vote tory with your head and a lot of the tories.onservative mps think twitter is politics. and the mistake they made was abandoning our beliefs. you know, we believe in a country, believe in hard work. we believe in low taxes. where was that in parliament? so in many respects, i couldn't argue with you that the public feel betrayed. when you talk about keir starmer. i go back to patrick's point. he's about to learn it's very easy to sit on the sidelines and poke fun. what's he going to do? and i give you one example of that. he talked about his border force. his border force will be fully ineffective because unless you have a relationship with a country where the people come from, you can deliver no change. and i say that because i think he's sincere, right. but i don't think he understands. he's sincere, right. but i don't think he understands . and i hope think he understands. and i hope to high heaven for all of our sakes that he can deliver. but i worry that he can't . worry that he can't. >> all right, guys, well, look, thank y

you know , the tory things. to bits. the bitter legacy of austerity has drained the hope out of so many people in our city. now we have a labour government . have a labour government. >> of course, that was liam byrne speaking after they're now conservatives of course, had gained birmingham northfield in the 2019 general election on that brexit issue. gary sambrook, the mp there with only a 1600 vote majority, he did lose his seat to the labour candidate, lawrence turner. now, of course, we know and have been studying that impact across the country overnight, haven't we? the impact of reform splitting the conservative vote. gary sambrook spoke to us after that declaration. >> we did say to people, if you vote reform, you're going to get a labour mp. >> and that's exactly what's happened tonight. labour's vote fell by over 4500 votes in my constituency, the lowest ever recorded labour vote in birmingham northfield. but nearly 8000 people voted reform. and that's what opened the doorway to labour. getting back in.

patel breathe, breathe new life into the tories. she wants to become the tories.ants to become the leadership. and she's very pretty. pretty great name. prettier. you wouldn't want to be ugly. it'd be this pretty. she reminds me of davina mccall. she.she she reminds me of davina mccall. she. she was, like, ironic, old school mafia names or something . school mafia names or something. >> well, it was ugly. but then the thing is. >> well, you take a look at a place like haiti. it just sounds so bad. you know, in iceland, they kind of changed the name. >> anyway, the point is, iceland makes sense. there's a lot of ice. carry on anyway. >> okay, but the truth is , is >> okay, but the truth is, is that give the tories this woman . that give the tories this woman. because during her time, it was the huge rise in the number of illegal migrants , immigrants illegal migrants, immigrants coming to this country without without papers, a huge amount and, and she this is how i know she's horrible is that she uses the word unity . okay. the word unity. okay. >> she's horrible l

job. >> i said to my mates who are in the tory tory, senior tory mps, don't bother.> what about who's going to be leader? >> no. do it next year. have a. i would go for a caretaker leader. somebody of the stature of david davis. who can hold the. hold the fort for six months. nine months. he's been in opposition. he knows he knows the ropes. i'm not sure he'd want the job. i talk to him about it and have your leader maybe in a year's time, because this government has got a huge mandate. people wish them well. i wish them well. i want them to get on with it and make any difference. >> is it? >> is it? >> no, no. and they're going and also, aren't they brilliant? they announced the tory leader, new tory leader on november the 2nd. november the 5th. there's a little something called the american presidential election. so that's the only story in town. yeah. they're not even going to get. they're not even going to get. they're not even going to get a honeymoon. yeah. >> you're absolutely right. right. gbnews.com/yoursay to let us know your thoughts first though, the very

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tonight, the tory nation. tonight, the tory infighting has begun . reports infighting has begun.s castigated the former prime minister for not informing the cabinet about the election. but all of those in government surely must share the blame. former home secretary suella braverman exclusively told gb news this earlier. >> this is a crisis for our party and if we don't realise the enormity of the problem and fundamentally change, we will

, and he's probably right to blame the tories. fact is, once you're in charge, you do get blamed for things that happened on your watch. when cameron and osborne took power, they inherited a terrible economy, but that didn't stop them from obviously being blamed for austerity and any cuts to local services. you know, the left didn't really care that, you know, this was a decision that had been, you know, basically forced on them by the state of the economy that they inherited. you know, that's just politics, isn't it? >> and, susie, do you think the problem is we can't build enough prisons and that this is part of the whole planning reform agenda thatis the whole planning reform agenda that is so central or that we send too many people to prison, and we need to look at how we sentencing people and the guidelines and the high level of prisoners we have compared to other countries. i mean, i think, i mean, this is actually an area i'm really interested in. >> i did a research project on it, and i think there's a bigger picture here

the tories?for me to see in the next five years take over the conservative party? who would instil the most fear in your your red veins? your labour veins. >> very good question. for the time being, i, i honestly cannot see any of the candidates that i have seen kemi badenoch suella braverman, tom tugendhat none of them. i can see who i would say will pose a serious threat to the labour party in the next five years. the labour party needs to be looking at reform , needs to be looking at reform, lib dems and greens and the independent votes. and i think these are the main threats to , these are the main threats to, to the labour majority. i don't think the conservatives have a have any threat whatsoever. i think on suella braverman by the way, i cannot see a heavyweight politician who has been a government minister and who has her eyes on becoming leader of the conservative party. i cannot see how she would join a party without the credibility of the conservatives >> okay, well, this is what suell

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blames the pied piper, nigel farage for role in destruction of the tories as he warns the tories to avoid merging with reform as he offers advice on how to fix the party. is he right, offers advice on how to fix the party. is he right , though, and party. is he right, though, and away from the election? it's coming home. i'm not singing. i don't tell you that much . don't tell you that much. england must improve if they are to win the first european championship and things are starting to get serious in the quarterfinals. and the question that we want to know is, is it coming . that we want to know is, is it coming. home? but this show is nothing without you. and your views, especially this weekend. ihope views, especially this weekend. i hope you're having a fantastic one. so let me know your thoughts on all the stories we're discussing. the chances of england by visiting gbnews.com forward slash and your say and join the conversation or message me on our socials. we're @gbnews. but first it's those news headlines with the very, very gorgeous ray addison. >> good afternoon. 12:01. our to

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she said the tory, the tories didn't want to hear the truth that she had to tell the truth that you mentioned know, the trans ideology that multiculturalism doesn't work about the echr, about the fact that cops have to be tougher on the palestinian mobs. the tories didn't want to hear all that. and she says now all they want to talk about is unity, because it's fashionable, but they're not actually doing anything about why the what. and i think she but the thing about suella, i think, is interesting that a lot of what she says, a lot of people agree with, especially people who watch this station, they would agree with her, but she always says something that that we've got, we've got seconds. >> final word to you. >> final word to you. >> when you lose this heavily, you need real soul searching about why you lost. i get no sense that anyone in the tory party is getting to grips with that. and, you know, even tom tugendhat, who i think is probably their best bet, he's pitching to leave the echr, which most people in this country oppose, i think. >> and why and why that is just not true. >> well

i haven't voted tory since 97 and i didn't vote tory since 97 and i didn't vote tory last thursday. to succeed. we should all want keir starmer to succeed. we're not going to support everything he does.i going to support everything he does. i want wes streeting to be 1,000,000% successful in his reforms for the nhs , and i think reforms for the nhs, and i think he's got a, you know, he's going to do what the tories should have done by the sounds of things. we'll see what he delivers. but of course we should all want to labour succeed. but no, danny, again, you're right. you mentioned brexit. if the people who voted remain had pulled behind brexit and said okay, we lost, but we're going to go for it as a country, we would not be in that particular mess that we're in now. so no, of course i want keir starmer to succeed. >> yes . interesting. keir starmer to succeed. >> yes. interesting. i do think people who are sort of more augned people who are sort of more aligned to the right are more prepared to get behind things than just from my observation with brexit, because brexit, it was d

the tories have dunbartonshire. the tories have lost bishop auckland to labour.h a sort of totemic red wall seat wasn't it, in 2019. >> well, diana davidson the mp stood down. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and so i don't know who the conservative candidate was but it was a new candidate. >> a couple more. the tories have lost stevenage to labour. we had a chat earlier about whether the whole of hertfordshire might be painted red and the tories have lost barrow and furness to labour as well. >> right. >> right. >> well, well that's interesting. that's my neck of the woods. that's my neck of the woods. of course there's simon fell i think was, was the. >> but we won it in 2019. i mean that was a classic. but this is, this is a crumbling of the, of the red wall that the tories once won. once woi'i. >> once won. >> well you can't barrow as red wall do you know. >> but it was, it was, it was that wave. >> yeah. yeah yeah. but i mean laboun >> yeah. yeah yeah. but i mean labour, labour took that in 92. yes. they took that with, with lord houghton didn't they. >> that's right, t

he won because the tories were were fed up with the tories.> but they also i mean part of the labour strategy. and actually i mean pollsters have been , have been talking about been, have been talking about this for months about, if you see it in the by—election, part of the labour strategy was instead of what they used to do, which was to pile up votes in, in safe seats , is they took all in safe seats, is they took all their people out of the unwinnable the safes and they put them into winning, winning oven put them into winning, winning over. so it was always going to be like that. but i make no secret i've just said i think the british people are fed up with politicians. they don't trust them. and actually and i don't blame them. and that that is the problem is and what people say , and particularly the people say, and particularly the youngis people say, and particularly the young is they're all the same. and what labour has to prove is they're not is we are different. we will deliver on our manifesto . we will deliver on our manifesto. >

yeah, talking of the tories , she asked if you of the tories, she asked if you would ever go to the toriesre annihilated and when they were annihilated and so on. you know, the same old question, he said. they are ghastly. ghastly they've betrayed the 29 2019 brexit result and to them it's all a game. this is a political movement. i want nothing to do with them, okay, he said. there's no interest. i don't care about ever leading the tories. right. >> there is a point about that. because if you look at le pen right , because if you look at le pen right, marine le pen's father set up that set up that party in 1972. so it's taken them five decadesin 1972. so it's taken them five decades in order to get where they are today, which is a 34.5 or 34% lead. right? so you could argue that it won't be, nigel, that ends up running the country. it will be nigel's son. do you see what i mean? so i say to him , if you get 18 seats, do to him, if you get 18 seats, do a deal with the tories and take it over. just. i'm talking about taking it over. i'm not talking about him being deputy leader or him being