the current president of panama is the son fof torrijos who was there when the treaties got through. >> speaking of obsolescence was that ever part of the campaign that he brought up obsolescence one way or the another becoming a factor? >> it was a small factor. when the opponents of the treaty were arguing that it would be a desperate strategic loss to give it up, some of the proponents said it is not that much use anyway as far as the navy is concerned. i don't think it played a big role. one of the reasons the pentagon after a lot fof pushing and shoving from gerald ford agreed to go along with the treaty was that the pentagon concluded that it was not that essential to the defense of the nation. >> we certainly want to thank adam clymer for a fascinating evening. we are fortunate because this is one of the few opportunities to hear from adam clymer on his book as one who spent time in panama panama. it is a fascinating topic that goes back to teddy roosevelt and before. thank you very much. thank you all for being here and i encourage you to join us in the lobby where he will si