however, the tory party is in a bad position.g by—election majority in recent weeks and is at risk of doing so again in mid bedfordshire. you mentioned the way nadine dorries made her resignation known and as i mentioned tory mps have called for an end to infighting, but given it was known at that nadine dorries was a big supporter borisjohnson, how much of an effect do you think and arejust getting attack much of an effect do you think and are just getting attack on rishi sunak has hired? in terms of infighting, has it changed how fractured the conservative party is? you are quite right in that there was nothing in that letter that nadine dorries brought to rishi sunak that was published in the mail newspaper that was a surprise. we all knew how she felt about the prime minister, her views on the prime minister, her views on the prime minister, her views on the prime minister had been on record for a while now. i believe there will be a number of tory mps who will be a number of tory mps who will be a number of tory mps who will

on tax cuts, that 10% of reform could come across to the tory party.s split for labour and liberal democrats, they could hang on to it. but i think to do that it many would say mr sunak has got to show some form of kind of old fashioned tax cutting policies or at least some leg on tax cutting policies which he's failed to do so show so far. >> yeah i'm not sure chris, that just one statement is going to bnng just one statement is going to bring 10% of those who are really very, very hacked off with the conservative party back . perhaps if you stop the boats, perhaps if he reduced net migration. but frankly , there's migration. but frankly, there's no prospect of either of those, is there? >> no, there's not. and largely because they're in the hands of the courts, the whole policy to stop the boats, which is this call, this rwanda policy, send people who arrive here illegally by boats to rwanda for to by small boats to rwanda for to be processed. that policy won't be processed. that policy won't be won't be judged by the courts until christmas time. i u

on tax cuts, that 10% of reform could come across to the tory party.s split for labour and liberal democrats, they could hang on to it. but i think to do that it many would say mr sunak has got to show some form of kind of old fashioned tax cutting policies or at least some leg on tax cutting policies which he's failed to do so show so far. >> yeah i'm not sure chris, that just one statement is going to bnng just one statement is going to bring 10% of those who are really very, very hacked off with the conservative party back . perhaps if you stop the boats, perhaps if he reduced net migration. but frankly , there's migration. but frankly, there's no prospect of either of those, is there? >> no, there's not. and largely because they're in the hands of the courts, the whole policy to stop the boats, which is this call, this rwanda policy, send people who arrive here illegally by boats to rwanda for to by small boats to rwanda for to be processed. that policy won't be processed. that policy won't be won't be judged by the courts until christmas time. i u

respected professor of politics at london university, he says, "what we are seeing right now is the tory party challenge." and it's not actually just in this country, we see it in other countries too. does that worry you? well, it depends what you mean by that. there are two things, there are the policies and there's the language. and it's absolutely right that parties should debate the best possible policies for achieving what we want to achieve. and, as i said before, there's bad policy, there's good. no, but the populism element is partly... but the language. well, the issue is being portrayed, and the daily telegraph in an editorial used this phrase recently — the elite indulging in climate politics at the expense of ordinary working people. now, you speak as a multi—multimillionaire, you are part of the elite. is it people like you who are indulging in the politics of climate when others are being hit hardest in their pockets? first of all, it is worth just noting that the greatest campaigns for action on climate change come from the poorest countries in the world. that is, when you go to

remember, we have the tory party conference coming up in just a few weeks.sets out his stall because we are in election mode, even though we have a year or so probably to go before there will be one. rishi sunak is going to use the conservative party conference to try and start this campaign, getting his key ministers in post and setting out a vision for the country. so the reshuffle is over, grant shapps goes to the ministry of defence and claire coutinho to the department for energy security net zero. we have had some political reaction from the other parties. we have heard from shadow defence secretary john healey who said the first duty of any government is to keep our country safe. i will always work with a new defence secretary on this basis, especially on ukraine but after 13 years of tory defence failures, change at the top will not change this record. alsojust looking, we had a statement from the liberal democrats as well. the party's liberal democrats as well. the pa rty�*s defence liberal democrats as well. the party's defence spokesperson richard

will the tory party heed the concerns of the electorate in advance of next year?t could be make or break state of the nafion be make or break state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. to be joined by an astute panel this evening, criminal barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes and former tory mp jerry hayes and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. as always , i amy nicole turner. as always, i want to hear from you. it's the most important part of the programme. email me. mail at gbnews.com. but now it's time for the the day with for the news of the day with tatiana . tatiana sanchez. >> jacob, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. breaking news in the newsroom. breaking news in the last few minutes that breaking news about the air traffic control failure. it was caused by flight data received by national air traffic services with both primary and backup systems respond by suspending automatic processing. that is according to chief executive of nats. martin rolfe. it caused tens of thousands of airline passengers flig

it's august so parliament is not back for about ten more days, but all the opponents for the tory party back in parliament. >> hasn't she got a bit of a nerve, christopher? i mean, as you mentioned there, this whole business no conservative business of no conservative prime minister since well, prime minister since 2010, well, none of the previous four have left office as a result of losing a general election. yeah, but but, but i mean, certainly when it comes to theresa may, that was partly down to her hero, boris johnson. well exactly. >> i mean, yes, exactly . i mean, >> i mean, yes, exactly. i mean, you could you could quote rabbie burns to have the wisdom of see see see you as others. see you. because quite clearly , yes, she because quite clearly, yes, she was part of that group around bofis was part of that group around boris johnson, who brought her guy in, that the tory party ever since really 2016 has been trying to find an answer to who should lead the country and failed to. and as she said, remove leaders like this. yes, totally. but it is a what can you say? yes, but she but

positive votes for tory party to shrink for the tory party and to shrink that that labour's got. on it. i mean he's he seemed quite engaged by our interview certainly i think people should think he's definitely and definitely come back and he wants fight for those wants to fight fight for those votes he hasn't got yet. wants to fight fight for those votychristopher got yet. wants to fight fight for those votychristopher at it yet. wants to fight fight for those votychristopher at the st. wants to fight fight for those votychristopher at the kilburn >> christopher at the kilburn police station there, thank you very much indeed updating police station there, thank you vehwell,h indeed updating police station there, thank you vehwell, as1deed updating police station there, thank you vehwell, as we ad updating police station there, thank you vehwell, as we say updating police station there, thank you vehwell, as we say , updating police station there, thank you vehwell, as we say , theiating police station there, thank you vehwell, as we say , the prime us. well, as we say, the prime

party and secondly. >> well, we have a tory london is by the labour the is run by the labour party. nds tories government funds the tories birmingham. the second birmingham. so the second thing about 80% of about poor people is that 80% of poorer londoners do not have a car, but they suffer the impacts of car pollution . and so of car pollution. and so therefore if you care about if you care about poor people , what you care about poor people, what we should do is actually subsidise public transport because poor people in london clean up poor, poor people in london, pay the highest public transport fares in the world. >> but donna, therefore the let's listen. if we were having this debate, we were having this debate in clapham. all right. in south london, what you say would be valid . most people, poor be valid. most people, poor people, certainly in clapham, wouldn't have a car. actually, most middle high earners most middle class high earners in bother in clapham wouldn't bother owning the point? owning a car. what's the point? you you a car for you know, you rent a car for a weeke

many of his critics are now claiming that this shows sunak's weakness to act decisively with the tory party corner and the conservative is still polling well below the labour party. is this the right move for the prime minister ? well, joining me prime minister? well, joining me to discuss this is political commentator benedict spence . commentator benedict spence. benedict if the prime minister had the gumption and the bravery of, say, margaret thatcher, he would be doing this in a heartbeat, would he not? >> i think if he had the resources perhaps of margaret thatcher, he certainly would. i think, you know , it is i know think, you know, it is i know that we often like to look back at the past and think, oh, things were better in the good old but you do really, old days. but you do really, i think lot of tory mps think look at a lot of tory mps and this just and you know, this isn't just being the sake of it. being mean for the sake of it. there plenty of very good there are plenty of very good constituents, and a number constituents, mps and a number of but of very good ministers. but br

party and secondly. >> well, we have a tory london is by the labour the is run by the labour party. nds tories government funds the tories birmingham. the second birmingham. so the second thing about 80% of about poor people is that 80% of poorer londoners do not have a car, but they suffer the impacts of car pollution . and so of car pollution. and so therefore if you care about if you care about poor people , what you care about poor people, what we should do is actually subsidise public transport because poor people in london clean up poor, poor people in london, pay the highest public transport fares in the world. >> but donna, therefore the let's listen. if we were having this debate, we were having this debate in clapham. all right. in south london, what you say would be valid . most people, poor be valid. most people, poor people, certainly in clapham, wouldn't have a car. actually, most middle high earners most middle class high earners in bother in clapham wouldn't bother owning the point? owning a car. what's the point? you you a car for you know, you rent a car for a weeke

going to be anything like sort of which is, i like the sort of which is, i think, due on the eve of tory party party conference, isn't it? >> it's meant to of >> i think it's meant to sort of lift the on sort of what lift the lid on on sort of what was behind boris johnson's downfall. and obviously, once again, launched again, you know, being launched to maximum pain to try and cause maximum pain for tories. for the tories. >> no. fascinating stuff, but also there's a big also there's a there's a big interview the sunday interview in the sunday telegraph you've picked out, which with rachel reeves, which is with rachel reeves, the shadow for she's shadow chancellor for she's saying won't be a wealth saying there won't be a wealth tax under the labour party. >> part of, i >> this is all part of, i suppose, labour's decontaminate strategy the strategy when it comes to the economy. the economy has been their achilles heel. not their achilles heel. they've not been it and in this been trusted on it and in this kind quite ranging kind of quite wide ranging interview in a notable in the telegraph to

obviously, these remarks from the tory parties deputy chairman, come in the wake of the u. k, claiming to simply run out of affordable places that housing migrants who make it across to the u. k. from the, from france across the english channel, 13000 of them to date as of last month. so the brick set up a barge called b stock. com. it's the size of the football field. and they set it up off the coast of door set to house. 500 migrates from there. the my rooms can apparently travel back and forth to the shore and enjoy excursions and all kinds of activities, including sports sounds kind of like a cruise, doesn't that? but migrant and he owes lake care for callaway has been blocking the boarding process, claiming that it's in human to put them on this barge because some migrates, have a fear of water and post traumatic stress from watching people drowned during their migrant journey. so the story party official is lashing out with some of his own party members calling him nasty things like racist and fashion as well. the top tory process mainly just defending him and saying

that opfion that's the tory party gave that option to the country, is that they voted for control .rol. but it seems that hasn't happened yet. jacob and that's what's so frustrating and i think time is running out on this government for this. >> e you have w— for this. >> you have any idea why >> and do you have any idea why the judges rule on the the judges could rule on the prorogation case within about a month ? and when comes to month? and when it comes to illegal migration, often it takes a year . takes them over a year. >> well, i don't want to relitigate the prorogation of parliament. that was in 2019. jacob and now it's 2023. we could judges can be quick when they need to, can't they? >> but they're just taking two month pretty idle judiciary. >> yes . they're not idle . >> yes. they're not idle. they've maybe more complex issues at stake. jacob i think it's a false comparison . it's a false comparison. >> oh, you're too generous. anyway, thank you very much, christopher. back with me on my panel christopher. back with me on my panel, former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james s

ministers, particularly if you think about the chaos of the past year, a bit more than that, in the tory partyterms of focus. it is also a very big promotion for claire coutinho, because she is the first... to join the cabinet. she was previously serving as a minister in the department for education, so it is quite a step up. we can take from this that this is someone that rishi sunak trusts a lot, which suggest the importance to the brief that she is putting in there. she worked as a special adviser, then as an mp she was his pps, and knows the prime minister very well. to me and suggest that he is wanting to keep a close eye on what is happening in that department, and having someone he trusts to get to grips with it. former labour leader ed miliband says that shuffling shares won't deliver energy policy. ultimately, we knew this _ deliver energy policy. ultimately, we knew this was _ deliver energy policy. ultimately, we knew this was coming. - deliver energy policy. ultimately, we knew this was coming. are - deliver energy policy. ultimately, we knew this was coming. are we going to see mu

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and she thought that that was a way of currying favour with the tory party has never been the nasty partyand those divisions are now really coming to the fore . there really coming to the fore. there is a section of the party that is a section of the party that is in tune with public opinion which knows that people want the migrant crisis solved. and if that means coming out of echr, then so be it. if that is the answer to stopping the boats, then so be it. and there is nothing nasty. whatever over about trying to stop people entering a highly dangerous situation for no good reason other than the profit of the people who who are making money out of this. and people are drowning at the very best. they have a terrible journey. they come here. they are not immediately given british citizenship and given a job and all the rest of it. you know, the streets of london are not paved with gold now. there's nothing nasty about wanting to stop that . there's nothing nasty stop that. there's nothing nasty about wanting to stop the sheer pressure that all this is putting on school meals, on transport,

. >> deputy chairman of the tory party to say that language in a media interview. >> yeah, i wouldn'twouldn't. i wouldn't use that. and i'm not asking you. >> i'm not saying would you use it because told me you it because you've told me you wouldn't use i'm saying, do wouldn't use it. i'm saying, do you wrong that the you think it's wrong that the deputy chairman of the tory party language in party used that language in a media party used that language in a me i a party used that language in a me i don't think he should have >> i don't think he should have said it like that, but i think you have to recognise an awful lot people use language lot of people do use language like that when they want to express themselves emphatically. it's common and they it's become very common and they will recognise exactly what he was saying. and i think the sentiment is one that a lot of people do understand and the whole idea is you've come here, you are meant to be fleeing persecution . that's the whole persecution. that's the whole bafis persecution. that's the whole basis of the asylum sentiment is

and she thought that that was a way of currying favour with the tory party has never been the nasty partyty and those divisions are now really coming to the fore . there really coming to the fore. there is a section of the party that is a section of the party that is in tune with public opinion which knows that people want the migrant crisis solved. and if that means coming out of echr, then so be it. if that is the answer to stopping the boats, then so be it. and there is nothing nasty. whatever over about trying to stop nothing nasty. whatever over entering a about trying to stop people entering a highly dangerous about trying to stop people situation for no good reason other than the profit of the people who who are making money out of this. and people are drowning at the very best. they have a terrible journey. they come here. they are not immediately given british citizenship and given a job and all the rest of it. you know, the streets of london are not paved with gold now. there's nothing nasty about wanting to stop that . there's nothing nasty stop that. there's nothing nasty abou

i think that the prospects or the short the tory short term history of the tory party's already prettyry understood. i'll be very interested what happens interested to see what happens next year during the general election. there'll election. i don't think there'll be outright winner, but be one outright winner, but i don't think that the tories will be part that next government. be part of that next government. >> okay. well, monday's independent tory infighting. >> gets worse. >> victor yeah, it gets worse. it's women attacking men. it's just women attacking men. theresa attacks theresa may attacks boris johnson shattering public theresa may attacks boris johnsin shattering public theresa may attacks boris johnsin mps.hattering public trust in mps. >> apparently this is her >> now, apparently this is her new book which been new book which has been serialised , i believe, in the serialised, i believe, in the sunday times, the independent . sunday times, the independent. it's picking out it's basically just picking out the quotes. right. the juiciest quotes. right. and of if you're goi

there's no point in the tory party trying to pretend to be left wing. bour party will there's will always outbid you. there's no in the labour party no point in the labour party pretending to on your side as pretending to be on your side as a payer saying they're a tax payer or saying they're going cut taxes shrink going to cut taxes and shrink the the state because the size of the state because they will. they never will. >> say, you know, >> and you say, you know, nadine, she's a nice person and she's a bit sad. i don't know nadine, but i'm not surprised that i think she's that she's sad. i think she's a jumped self—entitled jumped up self—entitled individual. that individual. and the reason that she's she she's sad is because she believes that deserves believes that she deserves serves this place in the house of all this is her of lords. and all of this is her kicking off like a petulant child because she didn't get that and think that entitlement. and i think that entitlement. and i think that embarrassing. that it's embarrassing. >> i macbeth, isn't

so of ten tory party so eight out of ten tory party members want sunak to ditch the 2030 and diesel car30 petrol and diesel car ban. a poll of them published by the conservative home website found that 83% believe the government was ban sale of was wrong to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars. so joining me now is motoring journalist quentin willson . journalist quentin willson. quentin, thank you very much indeed for joining quentin, thank you very much indeed forjoining me. i believe you're in sunny bordeaux, which is rather nice . yes. so this ban is rather nice. yes. so this ban , do you think this ban firstly is it realistic? i know that some other european countries have decided to backtrack a bit on that date , haven't they ? on that date, haven't they? >> well, emily, look , you can >> well, emily, look, you can drive a petrol car , own a petrol drive a petrol car, own a petrol car until 2035. so that's 12 years. it'll be a hybrid, but you can drive that car without ever having to charge it. so feel that it's all going to stop after 2030 is wrong and you can carry on buying a

see some of getting dope some idea of getting those dope nose turned into actual votes for the tory partyroper bigger reshuffle after the party conference in mid october , conference in mid october, around the time of what will be around the time of what will be a very difficult mid bedfordshire by—election. yeah >> christopher . >> okay. thanks, christopher. >> okay. thanks, christopher. >> i think actually there should have major reshuffle have been a major reshuffle because people going into the party conference, should party conference, they should have their new briefs. >> oh yeah. have their new briefs. >> and'eah. have their new briefs. >> and have your new briefs. >> and have your new briefs. >> every new conference, shouldn't if shouldn't you, andrew and if there's election may, you there's an election in may, you want cabinet ministers well briefed, job. briefed, read into the job. >> going to talk now >> now we're going to talk now to sir bob neill, who is the chairman of the commons justice select was with select committee, and was with us was with you only a few days ago in b

internal difficulties, there will be no wrangles and fights the way there have been within the tory partyensible tory minister tries to smooth things out with europe, it's backbenchers are frothing at the mouth and raging and rampaging, again they have fierce brexiteers, they will have none of those problems. what's more, labour will have a much easier time with europe and we will be looking at a new government that is not responsible for brexit, that didn't back brexit, a party that didn't back brexit. that has said time and again it wants the smoothest and most cordial relations possible with europe. round the brexit course, seven years on from the momentous vote, and the practicalities are still being worked out. i'm joined now by labour's shadow international trade secretary nick—thomas symonds. we'll speak to conservative peer and former minister lord lilley, and in the studio by farmer liz webster, a former libdem candidate. we did invite the government on to discuss this but they declined. so interesting if not unexpected, you would back this move to manage inflation especially in

and you made the joke discord the joke about discord within the tory party. of things tory party.ng that i find amusing about coming onto is i come on as onto gb news is i come on as a centre left person . despite what centre left person. despite what you was sort of hard you thought i was sort of hard left. actually. the hard left dislike me very much and i was not and yet not a fan of corbyn, and yet i attack government or attack the government or criticise the government from the and all you guys or the left and all you guys or some of you guys are some of you guys that are attacking government the attacking the government for the right. they're right. so i think they're going to difficult to have a very, very difficult time together time knitting together a constituent c to win the next election. well, yeah. i mean the tories, i guess they've always been three different been about three different parties, three different cats fighting sack . fighting in a sack. >> and whoever can manage to keep shut can keep that sack shut can can steer them. >> that didn't we, >> but we saw t

and you made the joke discord the joke about discord within the tory party. of things tory party.ming that i find amusing about coming onto is i come on as onto gb news is i come on as a centre left person . despite what centre left person. despite what you was sort of hard you thought i was sort of hard left. actually. the hard left dislike me very much and i was not and yet not a fan of corbyn, and yet 1 attack government or attack the government or criticise the government from the and all you guys or the left and all you guys or some of you guys are some of you guys that are attacking government the attacking the government for the right. they're right. so i think they're going to difficult to have a very, very difficult time together time knitting together a constituent c to win the next election. well, yeah. i mean the tories, i guess they've always been three different been about three different parties, three different cats fighting sack . fighting in a sack. >> and whoever can manage to keep shut can keep that sack shut can can steer them. >> that didn't we, >> but we saw

tory party conference, isn't it?s meant to sort of >> i think it's meant to sort of lift the lid on on sort of what was behind boris johnson's downfall. and obviously, once again, being launched again, you know, being launched to and cause maximum pain again, you know, being launched to the nd cause maximum pain again, you know, being launched to the tories. se maximum pain again, you know, being launched to no tories. se maximum pain again, you know, being launched to no fascinating|aximum pain again, you know, being launched to no fascinating|aximlbutiain >> no fascinating stuff. but also there's a there's a big interview the sunday interview in the sunday telegraph picked out, telegraph you've picked out, which rachel reeves, the which is with rachel reeves, the shadow she's shadow chancellor she's saying there a tax there won't be a wealth tax under the labour party. >> this is all part of, i suppose, labour's decontamination strategy when it comes to the economy. the economy been achilles economy has been their

look, you know, whatever you say whatever you whatever you say about tory party's now about it, the tory now had female prime had three female prime ministers. only ministers. admittedly one only lasted but and we lasted a month. but and we haven't even managed to have a female leader the opposition, female leader of the opposition, never mind a female prime minister. it just minister. actually, it just doesn't matter to me though. it doesn't. doesn't matter, but doesn't. it doesn't matter, but it but certainly people it matters. but certainly people on be on the left should not be condemning, not be condemning, should not be condemning, should not be condemning the tories. that's why is such why having alibhai—brown is such a normally very a disgrace, who's normally very she's very critical of the labour party as well because she regards as too wing. so regards as too right wing. so i don't agree with yasmin alibhai—brown the whole of alibhai—brown and the whole of the the centre left the left as in the centre left of british politics, not of british politics, should not be with her wor

look, you know, whatever you say whatever you whatever you say about tory party's now about it, the tory now had female prime had three female prime ministers. only ministers. admittedly one only lasted but and we lasted a month. but and we haven't even managed to have a female leader the opposition, female leader of the opposition, never mind a female prime minister. it just minister. actually, it just doesn't matter to me though. it doesn't. doesn't matter, but doesn't. it doesn't matter, but it but certainly people it matters. but certainly people on be on the left should not be condemning, not be condemning, should not be condemning, should not be condemning the tories. that's why is such why having alibhai—brown is such a normally very a disgrace, who's normally very she's very critical of the labour party as well because she regards as too wing. so regards as too right wing. so i don't agree with yasmin alibhai—brown the whole of alibhai—brown and the whole of the the centre left the left as in the centre left of british politics, not of british politics, should not be with her wor

a former tory party beijing.ment need to decide what it wants from china i >> -- >> so this is emma >> so this is the real problem. what are we going over for? is it more business? is it more trade with them or is it to tell them that unless they get their act together and stop abusing people using slave labour, etcetera, then we won't trade with them . but we're not doing with them. but we're not doing any of that . any of that. >> met commissioner, sir >> met police commissioner, sir mark rowley has welcomed government plans to ban zombie style knives . according to the style knives. according to the home office . works under home office. works under underway to increase the maximum sentence for their importation , sentence for their importation, manufacture possession and sale to two years. police will also have greater powers to tackle offenders who use them, sir mark said the weapons are doing awful damage in the capital. home sales in the uk are expected to be around a fifth lower this year than last year.

you're sitting back, you're rubbing your hands with glee as the tory party engage in a civil war, nottion of margaret thatcher. >> i mean, it was quite hilarious that she said, why is it that five tory prime ministers have been through since 2010, but not lost by a general election? >> well, the answer is boris johnson for at least three of those, before him and those, the two before him and himself , those, the two before him and himself, he's the person that kept ousting tory leaders himself, he's the person that kept ouzanyi tory leaders himself, he's the person that kept ouzany democratic's himself, he's the person that kept ouzany democratic mandate . without any democratic mandate. and the idea that she talks about democratic when about a democratic deficit when she has not turned david cameron , did he? yes. through the brexit vote. that's what forced him out. >> and david cameron chose david cameron have the vote cameron chose to have the vote and he lost the vote. i mean, you nadine dorries you know, nadine dorries lecturing about democratic deficits lizzo giving deficits is

you're sitting back, you're rubbing your hands with glee as the tory party engage in a civil war, nottion of margaret thatcher. >> i mean, it was quite hilarious that she said, why is it that five tory prime ministers have been through since 2010, but not lost by a general election? >> well, the answer is boris johnson for at least three of those, before him and those, the two before him and himself , those, the two before him and himself, he's the person that kept ousting tory leaders himself, he's the person that kept ouzanyi tory leaders himself, he's the person that kept ouzany democratic's himself, he's the person that kept ouzany democratic mandate . without any democratic mandate. and the idea that she talks about democratic when about a democratic deficit when she has not turned david cameron , did he? yes. through the brexit vote. that's what forced him out. >> and david cameron chose david cameron have the vote cameron chose to have the vote and he lost the vote. i mean, you nadine dorries you know, nadine dorries lecturing about democratic deficits lizzo giving deficits is

so if labour and the lib dems other parties get lib dems and other parties get it if the tories keep attacked by the right , getting attacked by the right, by, by, the sort of people by, by, by the sort of people who often come on gb news, then they are in real trouble. could i just make one quick point? and that in this letter. that is that in this letter. nadine talked about nadine dorries talked about threats and as threats to her person. and as someone who been very someone who has been very critical her, i would say critical of her, i would say that there never, ever, ever that there is never, ever, ever any room for abuse us or threats , let alone physical threats on an mp or indeed anyone else. and i absolutely condemn it. and i think we all should. >> yeah, we'll all agree with that. jen. that was a cracking start to the show. please stick around for the rest of it. you talk about missing in action for three months. nadine dorries the left leaning blob left leaning centrist blob you're they've been you're on about, they've been missing since 2010. let's missing action since 2