things we noticed during all that time in europe was that it was giving way to various forms of totalitarianis, communism and eventually nazism, fascism and then he came back to this country and he was shocked. in the 1930s he thought roosevelt was voluntarily turning to forms of totalitarianism. in fact if you look it to cartoon icons of the 1930s if you will herbert hoover like to talk about the rugged individual and franklin roosevelt said it's really about the forgotten man. these are really two great cartoon icons of the 1930s. hoover argued america is about equality of opportunity and it's about individuals having the freedom to decide how they want to live their lives and to pursue that. so america is about equality of opportunity. franklin roosevelt said in this is shocking to me. he said straight out in the 1930s it qualities of opportunity is dead in america. you can't get it anymore. what we have to be about in this country is equality of outcomes. we have to design public policy around the forgotten man for sometimes he said around every man, not around individual freedom. this i t